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hrc666
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 Posted - 03/26/2009 : 11:17:31 PM
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Nie couldn't. That's for sure.
He should have been yanked after the second goal. Both of the first two were very soft. After the third one to start the second period, it didn't take a rocket scientist to determine that Nie didn't have it tonight. Weber gets a big fat F for leaving him in when it was clear as day that Nie was very off his game.
I heard that Salekin was a healthy scratch. For Woll? You gotta be kidding me!! What's up Chuck?
It was good to see the team come back and play with relentless effort. They were skating hard, crashing the net, taking the body. It just was a case of the coach allowing the goalie to dig a hole too deep to make the climb out.
The Cyclone's destiny will still be self determined. Winning 3 out of 4 vs. Johnstown should do the trick. They'll be riding the back of Loic to the finish. LOL. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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jung46n2
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 03/26/2009 : 11:43:13 PM
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Absolutely, HRC. Nie was in for 1 goal too long. Just wasn't his night. I say Lacasse finishes out the rest of the season for sure.
Salekin in the llneup everynight... no reason to sit him. He's tough as nails.
I'm rather suprised Woll wasn't in the box tonight for his 2-3 hooking penalties per game. 
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cyclonehole
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 03/26/2009 : 11:55:13 PM
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I normally don't specifically speak out about trends of the fans on this board but I think people over react WAY too much after one goaltender has a bad game. It's always "that's it, I've had enough! (Other goalie) should be who we ride the rest of the year" ... until that guy has a bad game the next night, then vice versa.
Sure. Nie had an awful night. But least we not forget the guy pitched a SHUT OUT the night before. He let in some very bad goals tonight no doubt, but no one is perfect. The guy is still 14-6 since joining this team and with a defense that usually has at least two new members (most of the time not all that experienced) every night. Lacasse gave up four goals just a few nights ago against this team as well. Hardly am I going to say either guy deserves to start every game, but if I was to choose, it would be Nie. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 12:14:38 AM
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Nie has done very well for us. Games like tonight happen. It doesn't change my view of him as a very capable goalie.
I just think Lacasse is better. If one throws out the first game Lacasse played for us against Wheeling when he gave up 8 goals in 40 minutes-I don't think this is unreasonable-then Lacasse has a 9-5 record with a 2.43 goals against average and a 91.2 save %.
Nie has a 2.81 goals against and an 89.1% save percentage.
Lacasse was brilliant in Hamilton. He was 6-1 with 2 SO's, a save percentage of 92% and a goals against of about 2.1. He is a legitimate prospect in the Canadiens organization. He is very poised, plays his angles well and has very good control of his rebounds. Not that Nie is deficient in these areas, but Lacasse just appears to be a bit more solid in his technique to my eye.
In any case, I would think that Lacasse will be in the net Saturday in Johnstown and that it will be his job to lose. Nie's very poor performance in a very important game can't inspire much confidence in him from Weber. Remember, Weber kicked Cody Rudkowski to the curb even after he won the Cyclones the Brabham Cup. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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cyclonehole
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 12:55:44 AM
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I will definitely play fair and agree that you can throw out those games the first two weeks of the season where whether Gajewski, Lacasse, or a cardboard cut out of a goalie were in net and we could score 5+ goals a night with Beauregard and Latindresse and still wind up on the short end.
Don't get me wrong, I am definitely more than happy to have two goaltenders that I have confidence in. Their save % and GA are very close but Nie is 8 games above .500 in comparison to 3 by Lacasse. Another thing is that we have yet to see Lacasse as a full time starter, I don't think he's started more than two straight games all season (I could be wrong on that, just off the top of my head), so I also have to wonder how he would fare after being the position he has been in so long either tandem or whenever Nie isn't playing. He definitely has improved drastically since the beginning and especially since his stint in the A which was just wild, kind of like when Morris went up and posted 2 shut outs his first week or whatever it was. In the end, I'm happy with either, but if I want one, Nie's my guy. I should probably just be happy that we have people who are confident in both guys but it gets on my nerves when people go so crazy after some solid games by Lacasse (and rightfully so) but I wonder why Nie hasn't been getting a lot of the same praise ... especially the run he had the first 10 or so games here. 14-6 is very impressive to me. |
Edited by - cyclonehole on 03/27/2009 12:59:57 AM |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 05:29:28 AM
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| Cyclonehole, I respectfully disagree regarding folks over-reaction to a Goalies bad game, if this was the first week of the season then I would be more than agreeable to not over-react, however our division is WAY to close for a Goalie to have a bad day. Now I would contend that the Team, not just Nie, that had a bad night. We just cannot afford to drop games to division rivals...plain and simple. I agree that Goalies are entitled to bad games. I don't advocate "off with their head" sentiment after a bad game but it's time to "BRING IT" |
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Slapshot
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 08:46:42 AM
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| I said it last night and i'll say it here.. Trenton didnt win that game, Cincinnati lost. It looked like half the team couldnt stay on their feet and the other half couldnt pass. Chuck needs to stop bringing in new guys and get the team settled down and comfortable or this season wont last much longer.. |
old time hockey bar the door, clear the track, ITS ALL OUT WAR! |
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tjpavlik
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 09:01:02 AM
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Okay, Nie had a bad game, thats fine. Loic came in and in a good relief appearance allowed no goals, which is good. What worries me is the level of play from about the middle of the first till about 7 minutes left in the game.
Trenton pushed us around and we took it until JJ drew the tripping penalty and something clicked and we scored two fairly quick goals. I felt the game was winnable until Syro gets called for a "trip" that had been occurring all game long in front of the net but suddenly gets called. (Did your whistle taste funny after it had been "hidden" for so long?)
If we avoid the playing on autopilot we should be fine. If we do more than go through the motions we can go far in the playoffs. If not its golf season early.
Additionally a few topics ago Syro was blasted for not being a "complete" player... he played a much more complete game tonight; still not a lot of D but he was hitting people and creating space in the offensive zone. Also, Salekin may need a night off or may be hurt but I doubt he is a healthy scratch. Coach Weber also keeps signing D men so something is going on that we aren't seeing. |
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poff34
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 09:43:07 AM
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| Yeah he played better till he took the dumbest penalty of the year in the tripping with under 2 min to go. We had all the momentum on or side and there he goes ruining it!!!!!! |
Poff34
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tjpavlik
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 11:13:41 AM
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I can't fault Syro for the late "Tripping" penalty. All kinds of stuff was occuring in front of the nets at both ends and only at the end it was called as a make up call. My biggest problem with the officiating at this level is consistentcy. If its a penalty in the first, it should be a penalty in the third. If the whistles are put away, keep them tucked away.
The loss can't be blamed on one guy, especially Syro. The lack of team play for the majority of the game was the cause of this and unfortunately many of the Cyclones losses. I know looking at the scoreboard with 10 minutes to go I was pretty disgusted. The flurry at the end, while it came up short, was a reason to be inspired by this team and shows that they have what it takes to win when they want to win. |
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cloneinator
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 11:25:11 AM
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| I totally agree with tj. There is plenty of blame to go around. Nie started out strong, but he had no defensive support and we all saw a meltdown. Syro's penalty was untimely, but waiting until less than 10 minutes to go in the game before they decided to play isn't going to cut it. Trenton played like they are fighting for a playoff spot, and bottom line is the Cyclones didn't. |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 2:15:29 PM
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Nie had a bad night.PERIOD. I still want a goalie rotation until the playoffs. My
biggest concern is why do we constantly take the first period off. It seems we coast
along and kick it in in the 2nd and sometimes 3rd period. I want third period play
in the first for a change.Last night's goalie stats are also misleading.Trenton spent
most of the 2nd and 3rd just killing the clock off.Loic looks great on paper,but Trenton
wasn't playing the same against him as they did with Nie.Still hate all the new guys w/
the season so on the line.We need to play together.
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CincinnatiFan
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 8:05:10 PM
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| I know the score didn't reflect it but I thought they played pretty well in the first last night and then again in the third. In the second they looked like they they were asleep. |
Get Clones instead of Clunkers.
Cincinnati Cyclones
League Champs 2008 and 2010.
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blackjackshellac
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 11:42:34 PM
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Originally posted by cyclonehole
Sure. Nie had an awful night. But least we not forget the guy pitched a SHUT OUT the night before.
HA-HA Your little sister could have had a shutout on Wednesday night. The Bombers absolutely GAVE you that shutout. At least they tried against Trenton tonight, but allowed them to go into first place by losing in overtime. Start biting your nails. We play one more with Trenton and then Elmira and Wheeling next week. Good luck. |
If a man does his best, what else is there?
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cyclonehole
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/28/2009 : 12:32:57 AM
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Start biting your nails.
Could you give me some lessons first? |
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Buckeye011
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Posted - 03/28/2009 : 08:41:46 AM
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| Ooooooooooooooh snap! Good one cyclonehole hahahahahahahahaahahahaha |
Loyal Cyclones fan since 1993 |
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