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cloneinator
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 Posted - 02/11/2010 : 2:02:40 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
Cheers to Ehgoetz for becoming the Cyclones ECHL franchis all time leading scorer.
If you're the all-time leading scorer for a minor league team, it means you weren't good enough to move up to the next level or the franchise only lasted 1-2 years.
Yep, but it's good to see he has scored more than the whole Ducks team this year.
Oh, wait.. That's right. There is NO Ducks team. |
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 2:46:39 PM
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| The next milestone for Barret is to break Don Biggs' record of 444 points for a Cyclones nicknamed team hes got 229 points to go, if he stays healthy and he still has the drive for the game I think he can do it |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 5:33:22 PM
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| So then are they basing his record off the current franchise incarnation of the Cyclones? |
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 8:41:48 PM
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| Yes because the IHL Cyclones did not jump to the AHL like the Houston Aeros, Grand Rapids Griffins, Manitoba Moose, Milwaukee Admirals, Utah Grizzlies (now the Lake Erie Monsters), and Chicago Wolves because of the Mighty Ducks so they just in all terms died, and then the dormant ECHL Miami Matadors were brought to Cincinnati as the present Cyclones. The original ECHL Cyclones from the 1990-1991 season are now the Stockton Thunder. |
08, 10 Kelly Cup Champions
08, 10, 14 American Conference Champions
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Donnie Hockey
(Loves To Post!)
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 9:28:38 PM
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Originally posted by BP2011
Yes because the IHL Cyclones did not jump to the AHL like the Houston Aeros, Grand Rapids Griffins, Manitoba Moose, Milwaukee Admirals, Utah Grizzlies (now the Lake Erie Monsters), and Chicago Wolves because of the Mighty Ducks so they just in all terms died, and then the dormant ECHL Miami Matadors were brought to Cincinnati as the present Cyclones. The original ECHL Cyclones from the 1990-1991 season are now the Stockton Thunder.
The Cyclones, Detroit Vipers and Orlando Solar Bears notified the IHL midway through the 2000-01 season they would be folding at the end of the season, which led to Manitoba's president opening discussions with AHL president Dave Andrews about the Moose and five other teams joining his league for the 2001-02 season. So it wasn't as BP2011 inaccurately stated that it was because of the Mighty Ducks that the Cyclones were not able to join the AHL. Fact is it was the Cyclones folding, along with Detroit and Orlando, that caused the IHL to cease operations. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 02/11/2010 9:31:59 PM |
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 10:13:40 PM
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| Orlando for one reason folded because the owner of the Griffins owned the Solar Bears as well and decided the Griffins to stay and go to the AHL. The IHL was in trouble as a league before those teams folding because of shrinking number of teams and budgets across the board. 2000-2001 was probably the last year anyway. NHL teams shifted from IHL teams to AHL teams as top affiliated, the fact that Cincinnati had the Carolina Hurricanes as an affiliate was one of the last IHL teams to have a NHL parent because the NHL frankly did not like the IHL, I am sure you will agree to that Donnie |
08, 10 Kelly Cup Champions
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Donnie Hockey
(Loves To Post!)
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 10:34:00 PM
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Wrong about Orlando's situation. The owner didn't pick Grand Rapids over Orlando. They chose to fold the Orlando franchise because they were losing money. Lots of money.
The Hurricanes, you may recall, announced midway through the 2000-01 season (December 18) they were shifting their affiliation from the Cyclones to the Lowell Lock Monsters. They had notified the Cyclones prior to the start of the 2000-01 season they would not exercise their club option for a third year.
You might also recall the burden of carrying the Cyclones being sighted in articles as one of the reasons the arena was forced to declare bankruptcy in the spring of 2001, $41 million in debt. Doug Kirchhofer was advised to cut his losses with the team after the 1998-99 season. When he didn't, his partners in the acquisition of the Coliseum bailed.
The IHL, actually, took affiliations from the AHL in the mid to late 90's, offering NHL teams more for the affiliation fee than AHL teams were paying at the time. As a result, the IHL drove up the AHL team's cost of operation because they had to pay more to keep their affiliations. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 02/11/2010 10:53:25 PM |
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hrc666
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 11:29:00 PM
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Forgot to add, the free pucks were a nice surprise last night. Had no idea they were giving those out.
Dollar Beer + Regulation Pucks had great potential.  |
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Donnie Hockey
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USA
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 11:43:38 PM
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| They should do Snow Tire Night. As long as the fans don't throw them on the ice ... |
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screamin
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 09:48:33 AM
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| I remember reading a story where the original Clones decided to jump to the IHL because there were more cities with their stats there instead of towns like Hershey Pa. etc... I probably still have that article somewhere. I just really don't want to relive the whole folding issue again. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 11:04:04 AM
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Originally posted by screamin
I remember reading a story where the original Clones decided to jump to the IHL because there were more cities with their stats there instead of towns like Hershey Pa. etc... I probably still have that article somewhere. I just really don't want to relive the whole folding issue again.
The Cyclones were concerned about how stable the ECHL would be moving forward, which was the primary reason behind the decision to leave the league following the 1991-92 season.
They were interested in joining the AHL but the league would not let them become a member as an independent franchise. By the time they decided to leave the ECHL all NHL affiliation deals for the 1992-93 season had been set. The IHL was an attractive alternative to the AHL for the Cyclones because it was was a comporable level of hockey, there had been a history with the league in Cincinnati and at the Gardens, and their travel costs wouldn't be as high with teams in Cleveland, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis and Peoria. |
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screamin
(The Next Level!)
USA
112 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2010 : 11:51:28 AM
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| Looking back, and hindsight is, AHL would have been the best way to go but didn't know about the other stuff that held them off. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 6:25:12 PM
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Originally posted by screamin
Looking back, and hindsight is, AHL would have been the best way to go but didn't know about the other stuff that held them off.
It wouldn't have mattered if they had joined the AHL instead of the IHL. They still would have self-destructed.
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 10:33:15 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
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Originally posted by Gordon Bombay
Forgot to add, the free pucks were a nice surprise last night. Had no idea they were giving those out.
Dollar Beer + Regulation Pucks had great potential.
haha, very true. I was kind of worried that it would lead to a "chuck a REAL puck" night, leading USBA to over react. Glad to see the crowd was well behaved. Pretty good turnout that night. I agree with what you've said in the past, even though there's a few bad apples who have thrown things on the ice before, dollar beers is a great promotion to get the college age crowd in. |
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