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 Posted - 03/13/2012 : 2:36:07 PM
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JAMIE BENN $821,700 20 35 55 $14,940
DAVID DESHARNAIS$850,000 15 39 54 $15,741
FRANS NIELSEN $525,000 13 20 33 $15,909
Desharnais actually only makes $750,000 (his cap hit is $850k) so his cost per point is $13,889.
Not bad for a guy who was projected by many to be a non factor.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 7:40:26 PM
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You would be hard pressed to find one NHL GM that would take Desharnais over Jamie Benn. He's an outstanding player.
Desharnais couldn't crack the lineup of the Detroit Red Wings, but Benn would. And therein lies the difference between the two.
Frans Nielsen ... every team has one (or six). I'd take Tim Brent over Frans Nielsen. Brent competes every shift, kills penalties, can play the point on the power play, wins faceoffs, blocks shots.
You had mentioned former IHL Cyclones still in the NHL in a previous post. Craig Adams is a fourth-liner and penalty killer with Pittsburgh. He's one of the reasons the Pens' penalty kill ranks where it does. Another guy that competes and works hard every shift. He rarely shows up on the scoresheet but he's a valuable piece of the puzzle for Pittsburgh. |
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 8:02:34 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
You would be hard pressed to find one NHL GM that would take Desharnais over Jamie Benn. He's an outstanding player.
Desharnais couldn't crack the lineup of the Detroit Red Wings, but Benn would. And therein lies the difference between the two.
How would one overcome these statements? The evidence presented is overwhelming.
It's fun arguing about Desharnais with Montreal fans. Those guys are tough compared to the local crowd
Desharnais is the #1 center in Montreal. He is averaging over a point per game over his last 32 games. This streak roughly coincides with the conclusion of his first full year in the NHL.
Had Desharnais produced like this all season (which I know he didn't), he'd currently have 71 points instead of the 54 which he has.
That would rank Desharnais fourth among ALL NHL centers in scoring. FOURTH.
With Markov's return from knee surgery, Desharnais' PP production should rise.
If Desharnais does become a point per game player-which isn't that huge of a stretch-then perhaps the Red Wings would be inclined to prepare an offer sheet for him when he becomes a RFA after next season. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 10:09:39 PM
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The Red Wings have one of the most talented players in the NHL as a No. 1 center in Pavel Datsyuk. They have Valtteri Filppula as a second line center, and Jiri Hudler as the third line center. Desharnais doesn't fit as a fourth-line, checker/grinder type player. So, the Red Wings would have no interest in him as a RFA. They have no need for him.
He also isn't a Mike Babcock-type player. Babcock couldn't care less how many points someone has. The stats he cares about don't show up in the box score.
Desharnais won't get any offers as a RFA. Not a knock on Desharnais. Most RFA's don't get offers. The only time you see a team sign a RFA is when it's a real impact type player. And most of those guys don't make it to RFA status. |
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Posted - 03/14/2012 : 08:54:27 AM
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Well, in the off season, it's another story all together, but Detroit is a completely different team without #13. They have a distinct lack of playmaking ability, and the last few weeks have shown that.
Not saying DD would compare to Pavel, but he is the sort of playmaker that Detroit seems to be missing since PD went out.
Glad he's back soon, though. Detroit needs him, like you wouldn't believe. |
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Posted - 03/14/2012 : 12:01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Obie
Well, in the off season, it's another story all together, but Detroit is a completely different team without #13. They have a distinct lack of playmaking ability, and the last few weeks have shown that.
Not saying DD would compare to Pavel, but he is the sort of playmaker that Detroit seems to be missing since PD went out.
Glad he's back soon, though. Detroit needs him, like you wouldn't believe.
I think that's where a lot of people still undervalue DD.
He is a pure playmaker. He makes passes most other players don't have in their arsenal. He's been doing it since junior hockey. If he were of normal size, he'd be getting even more accolades than he already is.
Many of his detractors in Montreal claim that he is overly-hyped by the French media due to his ethnic lineage. Others claim that his success is merely a by-product of his linemates. Still others claim that he is "shielded" and doesn't get the "tough minutes".
Guys like DD and Datsyuk are rare commodities. They have vision of the ice/game that most others don't have and can't be taught. They create scoring opportunities which wouldn't happen without their unique visions.
I'm not saying that Desharnais is Datsyuk's equivalent. Quite frankly I haven't seen enough of Datsyuk, but given that he owns a couple of rings and has been one of the leading NHL scorers on an elite franchise, I'm pretty sure that any claim that DD is on par with him is not appropriate.
Still, as time goes on and DD continues to progress at the NHL level, I'll find it hard to believe that almost every NHL team wouldn't be able to find a use for him somewhere in their line up. There would be exceptions-Detroit and Pittsburg(healthy)and I'm sure a few others wouldn't have a pressing need for him. But a team like Columbus could certainly use him. I'm going to guess that Nash would score 80 points (for the first time in his career) if he had DD as his center.
He's an RFA after next season. Should he duplicate his results from this season (roughly 65 points), I'd be shocked if the Canadiens don't sign him at a nice figure for 4 or so years. Given the extremely high price that RFA's cost in terms of draft choices, it appears that Desharnais will be in Montreal for awhile barring some blockbuster trade-for a marquee player-where he would be a significant part of a package going the other way for him.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 03/14/2012 : 12:47:23 PM
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Columbus could certainly use Desharnais. He'd be a good fit in Minnesota, too.
Datsyuk is a much stronger skater than Desharnais. He can fight through traffic better.
I would disagree with the Montreal faithful that claim Desharnais is a by-product of his linemates. From the games I've seen, it's the complete opposite. And as the No. 1 center, he's not being shielded as he was when he was getting fourth-line minutes in five-on-five situations and on the power play. He's going up every night against the other team's top defensive pairing and checking line. Desharnais has proven he can play in the NHL, and play well on most nights. |
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