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Donnie Hockey
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 Posted - 01/13/2013 : 3:04:28 PM
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| The Montreal Canadiens have placed former Cyclones goaltender Cedrick Desjardins on waivers. After all 29 teams pass on claiming him for a mere $125, he'll be assigned to Hamilton where he had been playing. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 01/13/2013 3:09:19 PM |
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elvis77
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Posted - 01/14/2013 : 10:40:43 AM
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He had to be put on waivers in order to continue playing in the AHL. The same thing happened to many players on NHL contracts throughout the AHL as was part of the new CBA. (Remember, players on NHL contracts who met certain criteria were allowed to play in the AHL without clearing waivers. Now that there is a new CBA in place it was determined that these players must now be exposed to the waiver process in order to continue playing in the AHL.)
The Habs put Ceddy on waivers to allow him to play in Hamilton. His contract would have to be bought by a claiming team for a predetermined value established by the CBA. This value is only a mere $125 in the player is put on "unconditional waivers" or as some call them "buy-out waivers." Players typically only get put on "unconditional waivers" when the team and player decide to terminate an existing contract and part ways. Since the Habs website still lists Ceddy as being under contract for the 2012-2013 season (http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=561926) his contract value was not a mere $125 as you stated.
The Habs did place Alain Berger on "unconditional waivers" and if you look for his name on that link, you'll see it no longer listed.
Was Ceddy put on waivers? Yes, but not ($125)unconditional waivers as you alluded. Will Ceddy play in Montreal this season? Probably not but he is still part of their organization. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/14/2013 : 12:55:03 PM
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Originally posted by elvis77
Will Ceddy play in Montreal this season? Probably not but he is still part of their organization.
Desjardins won't play in the NHL this season or beyond unless the organization he is with has injuries and they have to play him, like the situation in Tampa Bay a couple years ago that led to his only career NHL action. |
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SCUBA
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 01:52:10 AM
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| So.... we are back to who will or won't play in the NHL? Goodness |
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elvis77
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 09:31:12 AM
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| Please note how he emphasizes an area where I agree with him but completely declines from addressing the main issue which is that he was wrong about MTL putting Cedrick on "unconditional waivers" |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 2:01:38 PM
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Originally posted by elvis77
Please note how he emphasizes an area where I agree with him but completely declines from addressing the main issue which is that he was wrong about MTL putting Cedrick on "unconditional waivers"
Bob McKenzie, who covers the NHL for TSN and also does some work for the NHL Network, had Desjardins on $125 waivers, too.
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie 3d
CBJ: R Russell, N Drazenovic. MTL: C Desjardins. Alain Berger on $125 waivers presumably for purposes of mutual contract termination. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 01/16/2013 2:06:05 PM |
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elvis77
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 9:05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by elvis77
Please note how he emphasizes an area where I agree with him but completely declines from addressing the main issue which is that he was wrong about MTL putting Cedrick on "unconditional waivers"
Bob McKenzie, who covers the NHL for TSN and also does some work for the NHL Network, had Desjardins on $125 waivers, too.
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie 3d
CBJ: R Russell, N Drazenovic. MTL: C Desjardins. Alain Berger on $125 waivers presumably for purposes of mutual contract termination.
No, read that again "CBJ: R Russell, N Drazenovic. MTL: C Desjardins *period* (meaning end of phrase) Alain Berger on $125 waivers presumably for purposes of mutual contract termination"
Had Bob Mckenzie used a coma between the 2 names as he did between the 2 CBJ players your argument would have merit. McKenzie chose to use a period meaning that Desjardins was simply waived and Berger was put on $125 waivers.
A period represents the end, where as a coma represents an ongoing list.
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Edited by - elvis77 on 01/16/2013 9:08:28 PM |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 10:39:21 PM
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OK, Elvis. My bad.
Did you notice Nashville signed former Cincinnati Mighty Ducks G Chris Mason to be their backup rather than have former Cyclones G Jeremy Smith serve in that role? It's good for Smith to keep playing in the AHL rather than play 8-10 games in the NHL, as Rinne is a workhorse.
Of all the ECHL Cyclones goalies that have passed through since the franchise rose from the ashes in 2006, I thought Smith had the most upside. Your thoughs? |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 01/16/2013 10:55:29 PM |
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elvis77
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Posted - 01/17/2013 : 11:32:36 AM
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Last summer the Preds let Mark Dekanich go because they had loads of goaltending depth; Rinne and Linback in NSH, and Smith and Hellberg in MKE, and the highly touted prospect Chet Pickard in CIN. They also had Zoltan Hetenyi in their pocket, playing a final year in Europe. Then they let Linback go and Chet fails to live up to expectations and bolts you Europe (where he is playing much better) and they found themselves very thin. I wasn't surprised to see them sign an NHL tested replacement, especially one like Mason who they're familiar. Neither Smith or Hellberg are NHL ready at this point so you're right, keeping them playing in the AHL is much better for their progression rather than playing the role of "door opener."
The signing of Mason is not that different than the Habs signing Cedrick as a 3rd. The organization is familiar with him and should it be necessary they know he's capable at the highest level. I can't fault the Habs for acquiring Budaj as a back up who has extended work at the NHL level. Cedrick has posted great numbers throughout his career at all levels but has issues staying healthy.
At this point I would have to agree, not because I think Smith is the better goalie, but because Desjardins has proven he can play at a very high level and his career numbers in SV% and GAA at all levels are stellar but he has yet to prove he can do it long term AND stay healthy. Smith has youth and health on his side but I question whether the NSH system is the best place for him. I have no doubt Mitch Korn is one of the best goalie coaches out there but NSH has a history of using big bodied, blocking, type goalies rather than the slightly built, aggressive, athletic type which is what Smith more or less is. When a team's style of play is built around a particular type of goalie it's difficult for a guy to break in when his style of play isn't similar to what the team is accustomed to.
If Cedrick can stay healthy I don't see why he won't get another look at the top level. I think it's a long shot to say he'll become a starter. He's 27 now, I think he'll have to prove he's durable over the next 2 seasons to get that look (He'll have to keep his performance at a high level as well). At that point, he'll be 28-29 which is about the time when most NHL back-ups earn a starting role, so to think he can progress beyond that is, like I said, a long shot.
Smith's youth, on the other hand, makes the sky the limit for him. The tutelage of Mitch Korn is no doubt great for Jeremy but I question how well his style of play will fit into the systems played by the Preds. I feel Magnus Hellberg better fits the profile of what NSH is looking for in a goalie and is probably the future for that organization. Smith will probably get a shot as a back up for the Preds at some point but I think his NHL future is probably elsewhere.
NHL teams are usually very hesitant to hand the reins to a young or untested goalie; for every Jonathan Quick there are more Andrew Raycrofts or Steve Masons than can be remembered. Here's some food for thought, Florida's Jacob Markstrom is a better prospect than either Smith or Desjardins and Florida is being very cautious in giving the 21 year old too much pressure or responsibility at this point and sticking with the battle tested Jose Theodore and journeyman Scott Clemmenson.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/17/2013 : 6:31:06 PM
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Originally posted by elvis77
Here's some food for thought, Florida's Jacob Markstrom is a better prospect than either Smith or Desjardins and Florida is being very cautious in giving the 21 year old too much pressure or responsibility at this point and sticking with the battle tested Jose Theodore and journeyman Scott Clemmenson.
Desjardins has never been considered a prospect. Organizational depth is what he has been, is now, and will always be. |
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elvis77
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Posted - 01/17/2013 : 7:28:43 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by elvis77
Here's some food for thought, Florida's Jacob Markstrom is a better prospect than either Smith or Desjardins and Florida is being very cautious in giving the 21 year old too much pressure or responsibility at this point and sticking with the battle tested Jose Theodore and journeyman Scott Clemmenson.
Desjardins has never been considered a prospect. Organizational depth is what he has been, is now, and will always be.
This is simply sematics. However, the Habs have him listed as a prospect. If you go to the Candiens website, click on "team", a drop down menu appears, on the menu you'll see the word "prospects", if you click on that word you'll be taken to a page that has Cedrick Desjardins name listed. Therefore he is a "prospect." If the drop down menu had the words "organizational depth" then Cedrick would be that. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/18/2013 : 1:07:08 PM
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The website might have him listed as prospect, but NHL general managers and scouts consider him an organizational depth guy.
If you talk to hockey people about him you don't hear the words "prospect" used so Cedrick wouldn't be that.
A couple years ago I was at the Lightning game when he made his NHL debut. I was invited to go to the arena for the pre-game morning skate where I had a chance to talk with people from Tampa Bay's hockey operations department. They used the words "organizational depth guy" when I asked about him.
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