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roxyjess615
(Finally Got A Star!)
USA
61 Posts |
 Posted - 04/20/2009 : 10:43:19 AM
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| Yes the officials were terrible and the team played prob the worst they have played all season.....it is the playoffs and they need to give their all, but playing a game then driving back here to play another game, they are being beat to death!! They were tired and lazy and it reflected that on the ice. There are no excuses there. The refs, I just have no comment on and I am half tempted to write a letter to the ECHL, I know it wouldnt help, but that is a game that should be reviewed by the league. Tonight, we just really need to stand behind them and really hope they give their all. Hopefully we will not have the same officials!! |
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PBR
(Rookie)
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Posted - 04/20/2009 : 11:02:28 AM
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Tonight officials
Referee: Francis Charron (7)
Linesmen: Ray King (39)
Brad Phillips (66) |
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elvis77
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Posted - 04/20/2009 : 11:16:19 AM
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frito, to expand on what you said a little. it appeared that one of the linesmen was at the scorers window having a rather animated discussion about that particular goal. by the linesmen's hand gestures it appeared as if he were saying "how was that a goal again......"
and not only did they blow 2 icing calls, but in the 3rd wheeling took a penalty and the faceoff was moved to the neutral zone! last time i checked, when a team took a penalty the faceoff is always in the penalized teams zone. there are 4 exceptions to this but to my recollection none of them apply (see rule book section 76.2). the linesmen also blew the faceoff procedure continually. as per section 76.4 in the rule book the visiting player is to place his stick on the ice first, yet our center was continually tossed from the faceoffs for not putting their sticks down first.
i personally think that the officiating may have had a definite impact on the outcome of the game simply due to the sheer number of penalties assessed and how they were assessed. in professional hockey there is a hook, hold, trip, rough, or obstruction/interference occuring about every 15 to 20 seconds, most of these are very minor, or are questionable and most competent referees let them go, especially in the playoffs. it seemed as if sweeney was intent on calling everything. moreover it seemed that he was intent on being out of position so that he had a better view, not of the goal or the puck, but of the entire playing surface so that he could call everything. the game that sweeney called is also the 1st hockey that i have ever witnessed where one team was responsible for all the majority of the penalties in one period, the other team responsible for all of the penalties in the next period and the 3rd period practically being tit for tat. hockey is a game of rhythm and flow. that rhythm and flow never develops when the game is officiated they way it was on saturday night. |
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roxyjess615
(Finally Got A Star!)
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2009 : 12:24:10 PM
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| You know, I know you are not supposed to pray for material things etc, but I prayed that we would have differant officials tonight, do you think my prayers were answered or it is just a coincidence? |
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PBR
(Rookie)
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Posted - 04/20/2009 : 1:24:23 PM
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| I wouldn't say that tonights officials are answered prayers.... at best just the top of the bottom of the barrel. |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
584 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2009 : 2:47:01 PM
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| Elvis brings up an interesting topic, and I wanted to share my thoughts, officials in my opinion should be nameless, I shouldn't really notice that they are there, the problem is they usually come in with a chip on their shoulder, some how they are officials and somehow got an unfair shake and should either be playing at a higher level or officiating at a higher lever. They seem to feel that either the more calls they make or too few calls they make that they see that as the way to advance. Humans make mistakes, I think that all leagues should actually come out and admit when mistakes are made in officiating. |
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roxyjess615
(Finally Got A Star!)
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2009 : 2:47:08 PM
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| You do have a point! |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
584 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2009 : 3:02:01 PM
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| It would then make the officials accountable for there calls, as it is now, they might indeed be accountable and have a score card, but as it is now, we see no reprecussions from poor officiating, And who are we to assure that games are officiated correctly? Ernst? come on, that is just a joke. increasingly we should have independant graders of the officials, ECHL I suppose? But seriously Ernst has something to gain too by making statesments that his officials are making the right calls, makes him look better. police departments come public when officers are in trouble, certainly we are able to obtain records on MDs if we want. I would expect some defense Ernst would have for sweeny however I would also expect some Objectivity here. You all have talked about things being thrown on the ice? I half expected bottles thrown in period 1 on saturday, half expected a beer on sweeny when he walked out underneath the endboards. thankfully we had better at that game, but i wouldn't have been surprised. sweeney practically skated that whole first period with his arm up in the air. |
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somebeach
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USA
1224 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2009 : 5:27:30 PM
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This is an email that was sent to my son from Joe Ernst regarding the officiating.....
First off Thank You for your support of the ECHL and the
Cyclones, and I will offer you the following answers to your
questions as I
was present also in Cincy last night.
If you take away the third period of this hockey game
because it was already out of reach score wise (5-0) and
very undisciplined
from a Cincy standpoint, they had 6 straight power plays
from the end of the first period till the end of the second
of those they
included two 5 on 3 power plays. Power plays at the end of
the second were Cincy 0-7 and Wheeling 2-4, so I am not sure
what you really mean as far as one sided, Cincy wasn't penalized
once in the second period.
As far as the goal, the Cincy defender took the puck,
goalie into the net on the goal. It states in rule 26.2 that
a goal shall be
awarded if a defending player knocks the net off in the
course of the puck entering the goal or where the goal shall
be either
accidentally or intentionally. That is why this goal was
allowed and correctly called.
Thanks Again
Joe Ernst
Assistant Director of Officiating
ECHL
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
584 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2009 : 5:36:12 PM
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| So Joe is saying then that every shot we take tonight that we can shove a defender into the net, and if the puck goes into said net while it is coming off the moorings then it is a goal? I don't remember a defender taking out our goaltender? I thought that a nailer took out Nie and this explination is coming from Joe Ernst? that's just beautiful. for me it had nothing to do with being one sided, it was the crap he was calling Joe...Thanks for nothing loser |
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somebeach
(Loves To Post!)
USA
1224 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2009 : 6:23:22 PM
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| Nothing mentioned about the phantom icing calls. |
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
ZINGER!!!!! |
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frito
(Rookie)
USA
25 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2009 : 9:53:30 PM
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He is technically correct about the goal. As I stated earlier, my issue is that it was obvious by the fact he was bringing the whistle to his lips that he considered the play dead. Then and only then did he motion it was a goal. If he wasn't already starting the motion to bring the whistle to his lips I wouldn't have had an issue with it.
Good point on the silence reagarding the phantom off sides. |
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