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mheck13
(The Next Level!)
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 Posted - 06/01/2009 : 6:01:54 PM
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| I found that Montreal hired Jacques Martin. Will Weber joint the AHL or NHL? Or will he still be here? |
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Buckeye011
(The Next Level!)
USA
320 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2009 : 6:28:55 PM
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| We will not know whats going to happen until later in the summer, but I would say Weber is here for at least another year. |
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KRLPhotos
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
607 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2009 : 7:26:21 PM
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| chuck will stay here |
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elvis77
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Posted - 06/01/2009 : 11:08:43 PM
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odds are chuck will stay put for at least one more year. he's only been a head coach for 3 seasons and from a coaching standpoint his best year was year 1n (that's my opinion at least). that 1st year, he took a team of college kids, rookies and "who are they" type players out of the uhl and other leagues that were over looked by other aa hockey teams all the way to a division final after they were picked to finish last in the league.
in his second year, with the talent that the team had from top to bottom, anything less than a kelly cup would have been a failure. it could be speculated that that team could have and would have won regardless of the coach. the most impressive thing from a coaching standpoint was the 18 game win streak and the 25+ home win streak that the team put together while dealing with numerous call-ups and line-up changes. when things like that happen it's all about strategy and that was all coaching. persoanally i think that was a more impressive feat from a coaching standpoint than the kelly cup was....
in year 3, the success the cyclones had was more to do with chuck's ability in the front office, making deals to bring players in while at the same time giving up as little as possible. sure, he still had to coach the guys, but if you sit down and list the guys that stuck around through the entire season the list is pretty short. if the echl, had a GM of the year award, i'd vote for chuck.
at the end of the day chuck is young as far as head coaches go and while the cyclones have had great succes under him his resume as a head coach is still pretty short. chuck will now doubt get his chance at the next level but i don't think we have to worry about it too much at this point.
also, at the final coach's show it was mentioned that chuck puts a clause in each players contract that allows the player to opt out should the coaching staff change. chuck has a lot of pride in what this organization has become and i highly doubt he would do anything to undermine that growth and success. those 2 things being said, i would would speculate that if chuck hasn't taken an ahl job but the time that qualifying offers are made (july 1st) and/or players start to sign, then he's probably not going anywhere for the season. leaving after signing players could potentially back the team into a corner from a recruiting standpoint should players choose to opt out of their contracts and that is something i don't think chuck would do to the organization.
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hrc666
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Posted - 06/03/2009 : 03:13:01 AM
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Interesting analysis of Weber's three years, Elvis.
I'll always argue that coaching the most talented team is one of the hardest jobs in coaching. You're expected to win and damned if you don't. Weber recruited DD, Beau, and many of the principles on that team, so it was he who created the most talented team.
That team came perilously close to losing in the second round vs. Reading. Down 3 games to 2 and facing a game 6 on the road in Reading, the team was able to rebound and continue their pursuit of the KC. Weber evidently pushed the right buttons or left well enough alone. In any case, he didn't screw it up. Not screwing up a talented team is a skill in and of itself.
From what I've heard, there are precious few openings in the AHL. Weber is still very young, but I'm sure he's ready and willing to go if the right opportunity comes along.
While Weber's playing background is pretty non-descript, so is that of soon-to-be back-to-back Stanley Cup Championship coach Mike Babcock (former Cincinnati Mighty Ducks coach). No matter which team wins, a former Cincinnati Mighty Duck will have his name enshrined on the SC as coach (Dan Bylsma coaches Pittsburgh). I would have to think that Weber is a talked about up and coming coach in many organizations.
I would not be shocked in the least if a better opportunity comes up for him in the coming month or so. |
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elvis77
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Posted - 06/03/2009 : 1:58:32 PM
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hrc, i'm not saying that the job chuck did taking the 07-08 team to the kelly cup was lacking. i was just pointing out that with as stacked as that team was, from being able to score in bunches, to a stingy defense, to goaltending that was even stingier there a many coaches that could have accomplished it. however, i'm not sure if the same can be said of the 06-07 team. i doubt that there are too many coaches that would have been able to accomplish what chuck did with that team.
chuck's resume is growing for sure. and each line that gets added is impressive. he seems to figure out how to win regardless of the hand he's given and that is something that an ahl GM has to like since in the AHL you don't really have the ability to make personnel changes the way you can in the echl. what you get from your parent club is all you get. chuck has shown that he can win when he gets a group of guys that believe in the concept of team, he has proven that when given talented players he can get them to believe in the team rather than themselves and he has shown that when he doesn't have the players, he can go get them and put strategies together to maximize their chances of winning. he will get a chance to prove his abilities at the next level, i just don't think it's going to happen quite yet. i think he has 1, maybe 2 more years with us. |
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"beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy." - benjamin franklin
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hrc666
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Posted - 06/03/2009 : 4:52:26 PM
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I just checked how long it took for a few coaches with successful ECHL backgrounds to make it to the AHL as head coaches and Elvis' time frame seems to be much more realistic than the one that I have for Weber.
Mike Haviland (a current NHL asst w/Chicago) only took 4 years, but he was older than Weber and won 2 KC Championships.
Davis Payne took seven years and was an assistant his first year in the AHL before becoming Peoria's head coach last season. Payne won one KC in Alaska (05-06).
Greg Ireland, who took Dayton to the KC finals before losing, was in the 'E" for 5 years and was an AHL asst. coach for 2 seasons before getting a shot at a head coaching position.
Weber is also not interested in being an assistant, so his opportunities will not be as plentiful as they would should he change his mind and be willing to go to the AHL as an assistant.
I guess I'm so impressed with his overall package-recruiting, bench coaching, personality, intelligence, public speaking, etc.-that I find it hard to believe that he isn't being "fast tracked" into a higher level. Usually I fall into the standard "familiarity breeds contempt" category regarding sports figures, but this has not been the case for me regarding Weber.
Trust me in that I will not be in the least bit disappointed (for the team) if he is here for several more years. I just think that he is ready to move upward. Every time I see some former player who with no or limited coaching experience get hired before Weber, I can't help but think that the AHL team doing so is really dropping the ball.
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"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
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Randy
(The Next Level!)
USA
432 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 12:52:56 AM
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You guys type too much.
Cliff notes: The majority of people think Chuck will be here for the next two years.
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cMan2KellyCup
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
540 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 09:21:55 AM
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Originally posted by hrc666
Interesting analysis of Weber's three years, Elvis.
I'll always argue that coaching the most talented team is one of the hardest jobs in coaching. You're expected to win and damned if you don't. Weber recruited DD, Beau, and many of the principles on that team, so it was he who created the most talented team.
That team came perilously close to losing in the second round vs. Reading. Down 3 games to 2 and facing a game 6 on the road in Reading, the team was able to rebound and continue their pursuit of the KC. Weber evidently pushed the right buttons or left well enough alone. In any case, he didn't screw it up. Not screwing up a talented team is a skill in and of itself.
From what I've heard, there are precious few openings in the AHL. Weber is still very young, but I'm sure he's ready and willing to go if the right opportunity comes along.
While Weber's playing background is pretty non-descript, so is that of soon-to-be back-to-back Stanley Cup Championship coach Mike Babcock (former Cincinnati Mighty Ducks coach). No matter which team wins, a former Cincinnati Mighty Duck will have his name enshrined on the SC as coach (Dan Bylsma coaches Pittsburgh). I would have to think that Weber is a talked about up and coming coach in many organizations.
I would not be shocked in the least if a better opportunity comes up for him in the coming month or so.
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Buckeye011
(The Next Level!)
USA
320 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 7:05:46 PM
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Damnit, Im gonna agree with Randy, and thats a first.......PEOPLE, GO WRITE A NOVEL if your gonna type so much...
my eyes hurt :( |
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cove291
(The Next Level!)
USA
326 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2009 : 09:51:13 AM
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| I agree, I only read so much of those long winded speaches on here and then just skip the rest and move on to the next post. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 06/10/2009 : 1:29:06 PM
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Jim,
Perhaps you should start a new section for those whose attention spans can't last beyond 12 words.
Call it the "tard corral".
Just a thought
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"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
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cove291
(The Next Level!)
USA
326 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2009 : 6:27:30 PM
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| No, long winded speeches saying the same thing over and over gets boring....especially for all those self proclaimed hockey experts on here that know everything. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 06/10/2009 : 11:16:40 PM
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Then don't read them. Pretty simple to do, eh?
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
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Buckeye011
(The Next Level!)
USA
320 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2009 : 11:30:22 PM
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Now now hrc666, we all appreciate your, and others, vast insight on the team, players, coaches, etc, the only point was that at times, its a little excessive,
......to the point where our eyeballs are burning from reading LOL.
Its not just you, I think I've typed a few long ones, so Im just as guilty. |
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Buckeye011
(The Next Level!)
USA
320 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2009 : 10:08:45 AM
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| Yes, he talks too much...I know this first-hand. LOL. But sometimes things are complex and need to be analyzed more carefully. However, I usually skim through what I feel is important and what is not. But hell I have ADD. |
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