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hrc666
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 Posted - 12/19/2009 : 04:42:12 AM
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Cedrick Desjardins notched his 5th shutout of the young season (gaining the game's #1 star) and lowered his AHL leading GAA to an absurdly miniscule 1.34. His save percentage is an insane 94.8%.
NHL Veteran David Desharnais was the game's number two star. Desharnais is now tied for second in Bulldogs team scoring despite being limited to only 15 of the team's 29 games due to injuries and an NHL call up.
The game's third star was 2 year NHL veteran Greg Stewart who toiled for a 2006-07 Cyclone franchise which was predicted by the sages on a failed Cincinnati hockey message board to be defunct by the end of that year.
http://theahl.com/stats/official-game-report.php?game_id=1006479 |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
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BP2011
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Posted - 12/19/2009 : 08:49:08 AM
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Great game for Cyclones Alum, the American League is full of them playing really well this year..
Jean-Michel Daoust leads the Houston Aeros in Points
Desharnais, Wyman, and Stewart(3rd straight year) have been in the NHL
Desjardins is RED HOT
Ryan Russell is constant as usual for Hamilton
Jon Gleed is a constant with Bridgeport
Kyle Rank has been in the AHL all year with Portland
Jimmy Bonneau is the enforcer in Rochester 109 PIM
Matt Syroczynski is making a good mark with Norfolk 22 AHL games
I could add more but this should prove that the Cyclones are doing its job by developing players, and the players are doing thier job by proving themselves |
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elvis77
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Posted - 12/19/2009 : 11:06:56 AM
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ryan russell has been a bit more of a constant, he lead the team in scoring until david returned.
http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=510029 |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/19/2009 : 5:22:34 PM
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| Desjardins has the best goals-against average in the AHL, but among the active top 12 league leaders in that department, Anton Khudobin, Brett Krahm, Jonathan Bernier, Justin Peters, Wade Duielewicz, Curtis Sanford, Nathan Lawson, Dustin Tokorski, Matt Climie, Alexander Salak and Cory Schneider are the better goalies. |
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elvis77
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Posted - 12/19/2009 : 6:03:30 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Desjardins has the best goals-against average in the AHL, but among the active top 12 league leaders in that department, Anton Khudobin, Brett Krahm, Jonathan Bernier, Justin Peters, Wade Duielewicz, Curtis Sanford, Nathan Lawson, Dustin Tokorski, Matt Climie, Alexander Salak and Cory Schneider are the better goalies.
based on?
he's second in GAA and tops the list in shutouts. seems to me he's pretty darn good
oh yeah, your opinion is to be taken as fact |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/19/2009 : 6:32:00 PM
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Ruukka Rask of the Boston Bruins has a better GAA (1.97) and SPCT (.932) than Martin Brodeur of the New Jersey Devils (2.10 & .921), but is he a better goalie than the NHL's all-time leader in games played by a goaltender and wins?
Desjardins stats look good on paper but the thing about paper is it burns. |
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elvis77
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Posted - 12/19/2009 : 7:00:54 PM
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| i guess it depends on what you define good as. seems to me that if a guy stops the shots he sees and wins games then he's pretty good. cedrick does those things. he has more wins in fewer games than 3 of your list, has equal number of wins in fewer games than 2, and of the guys with more wins only one has played fewer games. i'm not taking anything away from the other guys, but just giving cedrick his due. cedrick stops pucks and wins games. i'm not saying he's the best goalie there is but he's better than you give him credit for. you don't win 9 of 15, putting up the numbers he has without being a good goalie. |
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"beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy." - benjamin franklin
"is that a pulled pork sandwich i smell?"
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/19/2009 : 7:33:07 PM
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you don't win 9 of 15, putting up the numbers he has without being a good goalie.
Or by playing behind a really good defensive team. Roberto Luongo didn't have a great win-loss record or GAA when he played behind bad Florida Panthers teams, but he was still recognized as one of the best goalies in the league. On the other hand, Manny Fernandez and Dwayne Roloson posted good statistical numbers while playing behind tight-checking Minnesota Wild teams yet were never in the conversation when the topic of best goalies in the NHL came up. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 12/19/2009 7:34:04 PM |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/20/2009 : 04:11:13 AM
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Some people just can't admit that they're wrong.
Helbig was wrong about Desharnais. He's wrong about Desjardins.
He and I debated (and debated and debated) these two on Hackers Grovel. He always claimed that Desharnais would be invisible 5 on 5 in the AHL. He stated that Desharnais would never play in the NHL. He was completely wrong about DD.
Quite frankly, even a casual fan could have sensed a special quality about Desharnais. His ability to "see" the ice,uncanny passing, great hands and supreme work ethic should have been easily apparent to anyone who knows much about the game. The fact that Helbig couldn't recognize the obvious speaks volumes about his inability to assess talent.
He claimed that Dejardins couldn't cut it in the AHL. There is talk now of Cedrick advancing to the NHL as Price's back up. The simple fact is that Desjardins is a very capable AHL goalie. He is outperforming a former NHLer (Sanford) by a significant margin with the same defense. No one who isn't a quality goalie could have the statistics Cedrick currently has and the career accomplishments that he has.
His opinions on these two players may serve as an indicator of his ability (or inability) to judge hockey talent. People can be wrong. Reasonable people will admit to being wrong. Unreasonable people won't.
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/20/2009 : 10:33:22 AM
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Deharnais isn't playing in the NHL. He's playing in the AHL. His time in the NHL lasted all of 24 hours and the only reason he was called up and saw limited ice time in one game was because Montreal had eight players out with injuries and they had no choice but to call him up so they could dress a full squad. He was the last player they chose to call up from Hamilton when they were hit by injuries, and the first one they returned.
Desharnais can lead his team in scoring. Bob Wren did it three times and finished second on his team three times in his AHL career and went on to play a grand total of five NHL games. Darren Haydar has led his teams in scoring five times, including a league-leading 122 points in 2006-07. He has 559 points in 525 career AHL games. The NHL organizations he's played for have been so impressed by the numbers he's put up he's gone on to play a grand total of 22 NHL games (1 goal, 7 assists), and no team has claimed him on waivers the past four seasons when he's been assigned to the AHL during training camp.
When Desharnais makes it to the NHL as a player (you know, like two-time Stanley Cup winner Chris Kunitz), let me know. Right now he's still just another squirrel trying to get a nut in the AHL.
There is talk about Desjardins going up to Montreal as a backup to Price, but unfortunately for him fans on chat boards don't make that decision.
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 12/20/2009 11:59:45 AM |
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BP2011
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Posted - 12/20/2009 : 12:47:03 PM
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| Donnie you forgot to mention former Cyclone Craig Adams is also a 2 time Stanley Cup Winner with Carolina and Pittsburgh like Chris Kunitz. Bob Wren jumped ship to Europe like most of the former Ducks have done or retired, only a handful of good former Ducks are still around in my opinion Kunitz, Bryzgalov, Jason Williams, Lupol, Andy MacDonald, Sean Avery if he stays out of trouble, and current CYCLONE Dwayne Zinger wasnt too shaby in a Ducks uniform. Perry, and Getzlaf only played in the post season with the Ducks, Giguere is getting old and needs to hang em up. Donnie I have followed Cincinnati hockey long enough to realize that the former AHL Ducks were a huge disappointment their best year was their last year. Just because they were a higher level team doesnt make them a good team because they didnt show me anything other then night after night of disappointment, losing records, poor playoff results with yes some good NHL players. The Cyclones had winning seasons every year but 2(92-93, and 03-04) the Ducks had losing seasons 5 times, a .500 season, and only 2 winning seasons in 8 years, thats not very good Donnie and you know it. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/20/2009 : 1:28:53 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Deharnais isn't playing in the NHL. He's playing in the AHL. His time in the NHL lasted all of 24 hours and the only reason he was called up and saw limited ice time in one game was because Montreal had eight players out with injuries and they had no choice but to call him up so they could dress a full squad. He was the last player they chose to call up from Hamilton when they were hit by injuries, and the first one they returned.
Desharnais can lead his team in scoring. Bob Wren did it three times and finished second on his team three times in his AHL career and went on to play a grand total of five NHL games. Darren Haydar has led his teams in scoring five times, including a league-leading 122 points in 2006-07. He has 559 points in 525 career AHL games. The NHL organizations he's played for have been so impressed by the numbers he's put up he's gone on to play a grand total of 22 NHL games (1 goal, 7 assists), and no team has claimed him on waivers the past four seasons when he's been assigned to the AHL during training camp.
When Desharnais makes it to the NHL as a player (you know, like two-time Stanley Cup winner Chris Kunitz), let me know. Right now he's still just another squirrel trying to get a nut in the AHL.
There is talk about Desjardins going up to Montreal as a backup to Price, but unfortunately for him fans on chat boards don't make that decision.
What the future holds is not known. Desharnais' NHL career will not end with one NHL game played.
What is known is that you were wrong about him and that comparisons to Bob Wren are merely your new "line in the sand" about Desharnais.
Keep moving that line. You'll have to |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/20/2009 : 2:08:09 PM
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As I have stated, come to talk to me when Desharnais becomes more than an emergency fill-in at the NHL level. Until then he's tracking well on the path to being a career minor leaguer.
Your boy is approaching 200 professional games played. He's 23. Both of those numbers don't bode well for players at the minor pro level in terms of making it to the NHL (for more than a game or two, that is), especially forwards.
BTW...Craig Adams never played in the ECHL and Carolina expected him to develop into a National Hockey League player when they signed him. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 12/20/2009 2:13:50 PM |
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BP2011
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Posted - 12/20/2009 : 2:49:55 PM
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| Craig Adams and Erik Cole by the way have developed very well despite not playing in the ECHL but just a 1 1/2 in the IHL which many consider to be a higher league then the AHL but just below the NHL because it was the closest rival to the NHL since the old WHA and many thought it was a Major League level because they took many NHLers away which yes became its ultimate downfall in my opinion |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/20/2009 : 3:38:39 PM
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| The many who might have considered the IHL to be a higher league than the AHL were fans. It wasn't a higher league than the AHL. It had more experienced players than the AHL, but the AHL had more speed, size and energy. The IHL had guys that had been to the NHL but weren't good enough to stay there (Scott Thomas, Doug Macdonald, Don Biggs, Dave Marcinyshin, Todd Simon, etc) or could no longer play there (Gino Cavallini, Tony Hrkac). The AHL had guys that were going to develop into very good players in the NHL. Each league had its pluses and minuses. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/20/2009 : 11:19:07 PM
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As I have stated, come to talk to me when Desharnais becomes more than an emergency fill-in at the NHL level. Until then he's tracking well on the path to being a career minor leaguer.
I'd be more interested in the specifics about an undrafted player who leads a league in scoring and then becomes a team leading scorer at the next level. That would be the relevant categorical comparison, not some number generalized to the universe of hockey players.
I do have to admit one thing, though. If anyone would know about being a career minor leaguer in hockey, it would be you.
You just can't admit that you were dead wrong about him. No surprise. Just a bit pathetic.
He didn't score today, so take the tiny victories (for your incorrect assessment of him) when they come. They've been few and far between. Enjoy it. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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