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Hockey Traveller
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 Posted - 12/21/2009 : 12:58:33 AM
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Here is the expected response to the very first post in this thread:
Desharnais is not an NHL veteran.
He's also no Dan Sexton. Sexton has already played in more NHL games, and scored more NHL goals, assists, and points, than Desharnais ever will. |
Edited by - Hockey Traveller on 12/21/2009 01:01:35 AM |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 01:44:24 AM
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Originally posted by BP2011
only a handful of good former Ducks are still around in my opinion Kunitz, Bryzgalov, Jason Williams, Lupol, Andy MacDonald, Sean Avery if he stays out of trouble, and current CYCLONE Dwayne Zinger wasnt too shaby in a Ducks uniform. Perry, and Getzlaf only played in the post season with the Ducks, Giguere is getting old and needs to hang em up.
Also still around, in the NHL, former Ducks Dustin Penner, Mike Commodore, Chris Mason, Sheldon Brookbank, Curtis Glencross, Shane O'Brien, Kurtis Foster, Matt Cullen, Samuel Pahlsson, Shane Hnidy, Zenon Konopka, Mike Mottau, Richard Park, Aaron Rome, Ryan Shannon.
Ben Guite has also logged time in the NHL this year. I'd say that's more than just a handful. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 02:59:04 AM
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Originally posted by Hockey Traveller
Here is the expected response to the very first post in this thread:
Desharnais is not an NHL veteran.
He's also no Dan Sexton. Sexton has already played in more NHL games, and scored more NHL goals, assists, and points, than Desharnais ever will.
Still parroting your hero donnieschlockie's views I see. At least you're consistent.
Desharnais is a veteran. Of but one game, but a veteran.
Please state why Desharnais won't play in 8 games and score 7 points.
Why won't he? Please share your insight. Your own.
Sexton is listed at 5'9" and 165 lbs. He's a little guy. What, in YOUR experience watching him, makes him so much more NHL capable than Desharnais? |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 11:16:44 AM
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| Traveller those players did not bring this city anything while they were here they brought Anaheim something for those who won the cup with the Ducks, the Cincy Ducks lost most of their games and brought me and other Cincinnati Hockey fans disappointment night after night, they were not a good team in the AHL 5 losing seasons, and when they made the playoffs were disappointment again with the talent you see today they should have brought this city another Calder Cup like the Swords why you and your band of followers cant see that I will never know |
08, 10 Kelly Cup Champions
08, 10, 14 American Conference Champions
08, 09, 13 North Division Champions
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 4:32:12 PM
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| Don, and the other amigos, seriously all of you post under the motto of we love hockey of all types therefore we are just offereing up our opinions yet your offering opinions of current "AHL" players. Certainly there is a Hamilton Bulldog site you can go and troll up trouble. Seriously, drop the career-minor league-ers on that site......they happen to be winning games for the team.....We are more likely to see them in the NHL than we are seeing them down here in the ECHL....regardless of where they are. We wish them nothing but the best and any league higher than the ECHL is an accomplishment. We also thank them for bringing us a Cup, an experience the Cyclones were able to bring to us, which of course is much different to the experience that all your potential Duck NHLers were able to accomplish while here.....oh, well the duck call thing, that was an experience i'll cherish |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 7:18:01 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
I'd be more interested in the specifics about an undrafted player who leads a league in scoring and then becomes a team leading scorer at the next level. That would be the relevant categorical comparison, not some number generalized to the universe of hockey players.
Since the inception of the NHL draft in 1969, just 19 percent of undrafted players from the QMJHL have gone on to play at least one career game in the NHL. Just eight pecent of that 19 percent have accrued 100 or more NHL games in their career.
The only miss on an undrafted player that led his team and a league in scoring at two different levels before reading the NHL is Stephan Lebeau, who had a 188-point season in the QMJHL and scored 70 goals and 134 points as a rookie in the AHL in 1988-89 with Sherbrooke. He went on to score 118 goals and 277 points in 373 NHL games.
The only notable undrafted players from the QMJHL playing in the NHL today are Pascal Dupuis, Donald Brashear, Alexandre Burrows, Francis Bouillon and Marc-Andre Bergeron.
Since 1969, no undrafted player from the QMJHL that was under 5-foot-10 has ever played in more than 10 career NHL games.
Are these stats relevant enough for you? |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 11:03:03 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
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Originally posted by Hockey Traveller
Here is the expected response to the very first post in this thread:
Desharnais is not an NHL veteran.
He's also no Dan Sexton. Sexton has already played in more NHL games, and scored more NHL goals, assists, and points, than Desharnais ever will.
Desharnais is a veteran. Of but one game, but a veteran.
Please state why Desharnais won't play in 8 games and score 7 points.
Why won't he? Please share your insight. Your own.
Sexton is listed at 5'9" and 165 lbs. He's a little guy. What, in YOUR experience watching him, makes him so much more NHL capable than Desharnais?
A veteran, in this instance, according to Webster's Dictionary, is: a person of long experience usually in some occupation or skill (as politics or the arts)
While Desharnais can be considered a veteran hockey player, by definition, he is NOT a veteran NHL player.
In MY experience watching Sexton, he is fast, tenaciously battles for pucks in the corners, takes quick, sneaky, accurate shots from bad angles, and has excellent vision on the ice, making good decisions with the puck. He also exhibits great puck control. In 8 NHL games, "Big Sexy" has gained enough confidence from Randy Carlyle to play on the 2nd line with Saku Koivu and Bobby Ryan, and the 2nd power play line. All this after just 2 years in junior, 2 years in college, and 23 career minor league games. He was called up as an injury replacement for Teemu Selanne, and he is making a strong case to stay in the NHL when Selanne gets back in the lineup.
Desharnais impressed the Montreal brass enough to play on the power play in Hamilton. After 4 years of junior hockey and 173 minor league games, why do YOU think he isn't playing regularly in the NHL yet? Unless/until he does, you will really look foolish if you try to insist that these two have anything in common other than their short stature, age (Desharnais is actually 7 1/2 months older than Sexton), and undrafted status. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 11:08:52 PM
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[i]Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Since 1969, no undrafted player from the QMJHL that was under 5-foot-10 has ever played in more than 10 career NHL games.
Are these stats relevant enough for you?
I'd love to see a source for the 5'10" stat. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 11:35:16 PM
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Originally posted by BP2011
Traveller those players did not bring this city anything while they were here they brought Anaheim something for those who won the cup with the Ducks, the Cincy Ducks lost most of their games and brought me and other Cincinnati Hockey fans disappointment night after night, they were not a good team in the AHL 5 losing seasons, and when they made the playoffs were disappointment again with the talent you see today they should have brought this city another Calder Cup like the Swords why you and your band of followers cant see that I will never know
I have no "band of followers". I agree that the Cincinnati Mighty Ducks were usually a frustrating team to follow. I ADMIT I WAS WRONG about some of them, who I didn't think would make the NHL. Mike Commodore was HORRIBLE when he played here, and sometimes our group in Section 65 would call him the Ducks' version of Len Esau. Curtis Glencross, Sheldon Brookbank, and Chris Mason didn't strike me as NHL-caliber players, and all 3 of them took at least 2 more years in the AHL before they were called up for any appreciable NHL playing time.
Contrary to what one other person on this board thinks, I have my own opinions, and if I "parrot" anyone, it's only when the "parroting" is the truth. Kind of like if you said "hrc666 confuses stats with actual playing skills", I would "parrot" you because that is a fact.
Other than a few seasons, the Cincinnati Mighty Ducks were a frustrating team for their fans to watch. There. Now I have "parroted" BP2011. Or whatever unclever distortion of that name hrc can come up with. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 11:47:48 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
I'd love to see a source for the 5'10" stat.
Buy yourself a copy of the NHL Official Guide & Record Book and give yourself about 15-20 minutes to go through the names of every undrafted player from the QMJHL that has played in at least one NHL game since 1969. Now, if you know how to read, the NHL makes this real easy for people like you in the all-time register section. They list every player that's ever played in the NHL in alphabetical order. And, get this...you can look up a players height and weight. I know...I know...I was amazed as you that they are willing to make this information available. The process of being able to find out the most number of NHL games played by an undrafted player out of the QMJHL under 5-foot-10 was so simple even a Cyclones fan could do it.
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 12/21/2009 11:50:47 PM |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/22/2009 : 01:33:34 AM
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Originally posted by Hockey Traveller
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Originally posted by hrc666
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Originally posted by Hockey Traveller
Here is the expected response to the very first post in this thread:
Desharnais is not an NHL veteran.
He's also no Dan Sexton. Sexton has already played in more NHL games, and scored more NHL goals, assists, and points, than Desharnais ever will.
Desharnais is a veteran. Of but one game, but a veteran.
Please state why Desharnais won't play in 8 games and score 7 points.
Why won't he? Please share your insight. Your own.
Sexton is listed at 5'9" and 165 lbs. He's a little guy. What, in YOUR experience watching him, makes him so much more NHL capable than Desharnais?
A veteran, in this instance, according to Webster's Dictionary, is: a person of long experience usually in some occupation or skill (as politics or the arts)
While Desharnais can be considered a veteran hockey player, by definition, he is NOT a veteran NHL player.
In MY experience watching Sexton, he is fast, tenaciously battles for pucks in the corners, takes quick, sneaky, accurate shots from bad angles, and has excellent vision on the ice, making good decisions with the puck. He also exhibits great puck control. In 8 NHL games, "Big Sexy" has gained enough confidence from Randy Carlyle to play on the 2nd line with Saku Koivu and Bobby Ryan, and the 2nd power play line. All this after just 2 years in junior, 2 years in college, and 23 career minor league games. He was called up as an injury replacement for Teemu Selanne, and he is making a strong case to stay in the NHL when Selanne gets back in the lineup.
Desharnais impressed the Montreal brass enough to play on the power play in Hamilton. After 4 years of junior hockey and 173 minor league games, why do YOU think he isn't playing regularly in the NHL yet? Unless/until he does, you will really look foolish if you try to insist that these two have anything in common other than their short stature, age (Desharnais is actually 7 1/2 months older than Sexton), and undrafted status.
Desharnais has been a "project" for Montreal. He didn't fit into their usual parameters or they would have drafted him.
He's progressed quite nicely. He dominated the ECHL. He performed admirably in his first AHL season and has really stepped it up a notch this season.
Montreal signed him to a two year deal last season. He has gotten good reviews for his preseason efforts in Montreal the past two seasons. He got a brief look as an injury fill in two weeks ago. Where he ends up is purely speculative at this point. The notion that he will never play 8 games in the NHL is based on nothing but your petty animus toward anything Cyclone in nature.
If you don't think that Desharnais is a great battler for the puck and has exceptional vision of the ice, then you have come to the wrong conclusion. But, it wasn't your conclusion anyway. It's your hero's.
You're a troll. Why don't you find somewhere to go where you can contribute. "Big Sexy"*rolls eyes* like you know him. Joker.
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Edited by - hrc666 on 12/22/2009 01:41:03 AM |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/22/2009 : 01:38:41 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by hrc666
I'd love to see a source for the 5'10" stat.
Buy yourself a copy of the NHL Official Guide & Record Book and give yourself about 15-20 minutes to go through the names of every undrafted player from the QMJHL that has played in at least one NHL game since 1969. Now, if you know how to read, the NHL makes this real easy for people like you in the all-time register section. They list every player that's ever played in the NHL in alphabetical order. And, get this...you can look up a players height and weight. I know...I know...I was amazed as you that they are willing to make this information available. The process of being able to find out the most number of NHL games played by an undrafted player out of the QMJHL under 5-foot-10 was so simple even a Cyclones fan could do it.
Your "so simple even a Cyclone fan could do it" says it all. You're a miserable troll. You have some twisted internal need to be revered as the ultimate hockey source in Cincinnati. Well, you are-to fellow trolls all hockey/2minnows and perhaps one other. Gerry Robinson took his ball and sold it. Deal with it.
Your "sourcing" on the 5'10" issue is dubious. It may be true or it may not, but you haven't proven a thing. It's just your word and I'll give that the appropriate weight it deserves regarding anything to do with the Cyclones.
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/22/2009 : 01:54:16 AM
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Kunitz played 139 minor league games and was 26 years old before he "stuck" in the NHL.
His NHL games during that period numbered 26 and he scored 6 points (all assists) in those games.
Ben Guite played almost 500 minor league games and was 28 years old before he stuck (for a few years).
Keith Aucoin played hundreds of minor league games and was 27 before he started his on again/off again NHL career.
I could cite more examples just on the Ducks, but I won't bother. Desharnais has plenty of time to make his mark in the NHL. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/22/2009 : 02:03:02 AM
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Originally posted by hrc666
Desharnais has been a "project" for Montreal. He didn't fit into their usual parameters or they would have drafted him.
He's progressed quite nicely. He dominated the ECHL. He performed admirably in his first AHL season and has really stepped it up a notch this season.
Montreal signed him to a two year deal last season. He has gotten good reviews for his preseason efforts in Montreal the past two seasons. He got a brief look as an injury fill in two weeks ago. Where he ends up is purely speculative at this point. The notion that he will never play 8 games in the NHL is based on nothing but your petty animus toward anything Cyclone in nature.
If you don't think that Desharnais is a great battler for the puck and has exceptional vision of the ice, then you have come to the wrong conclusion. But, it wasn't your conclusion anyway. It's your hero's.
You're a troll. Why don't you find somewhere to go where you can contribute. "Big Sexy"*rolls eyes* like you know him. Joker.
You 6th graders and your name calling. Tsk tsk.
Apparently, all NHL scouts and GM's have come to the same conclusion as me. Yep, they are all my heroes.
As for the name "Big Sexy", that's what they call him in Anaheim. But I understand...minor league fans wouldn't know that. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/22/2009 : 02:13:57 AM
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Apparently, all NHL scouts and GM's have come to the same conclusion as me. Yep, they are all my heroes.
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So you are personally knowledgeable of Bob Gainey's plans for Desharnais. Wow. I'm impressed.
And all the other GM's and scouts as well. You really are connected.
Desharnais' future gets brighter by the game. The future of mail delivery does not.
Be environmentally sound. Go paperless.
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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