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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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 Posted - 02/14/2010 : 2:56:11 PM
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| One topic I don't see much of on here is the coaching staff and I just want to make a point of how well I think this team is coached. As opposed to the Championship team where they had an obvious advantage in talent--but were still coached well and played as a unit-I think this team's talent pool is similar to several other teams I have seen ( haven't seen Elmira) but they are better coached. Chuck seems to know exactly what he wants in players--knows the small schools where he can find them-and knows how to put together a cohesive unit year after year even with such high year to year turnover in this league. I am especially impressed as how hard he has these kids playing all the time. I can count on one hand the games I have seen his teams play over the years when they did not show up--or give up. He also seems to have the ability to find "average" players elsewhere in the league and transform them into what he needs in his system. The two new d-men are a great example. Each year I am shocked he is still here in the ECHL. We are lucky to have him here where he is also such a great ambassador for the team and the sport. By the way--I am not related and do not receive any free Frosty coupons for this posting |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 3:47:07 PM
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Originally posted by dbc
Each year I am shocked he is still here in the ECHL.
I'm not surprised he's still here. Below is a list of some of the things he has going against him:
1) Didn't play professional hockey
2) Didn't coach in major junior or Division I college hockey
3) Hasn't been a head coach anywhere else
4) Wasn't hired by an NHL organization to coach the Cyclones
5) Coaches in relative obscurity as the ECHL is not heavily scouted by the NHL. NHL teams don't see the Cyclones play enough (if at all) to get a read on the systems he employs, his ability to get the best out of his players, etc like the coaches in the WHL, OHL, QMJHL, USHL and major college hockey, who's teams play every night in front of NHL general managers, assistant general managers and scouts.
Do I think he could be a successful coach in the AHL? Absolutely! I can tell he communicates the game well, he runs the bench well during games, and he has taught his players the essential parts of the game well. |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 4:13:57 PM
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Weber is obviously a great motivator and coaches a system that works. He continues to be able to plug pretty much whatever players are available into his lineups and still consistently stay at the top of the conference.
Thats a "must have" skill in a league like the ECHL where there is zero talent continuity, and he's extremely good at it.
Regardless of his background, I'd be surprised if some AHL team doesn't give him a shot. Sooner rather than later. If not, I hope he stays right here. I'm selfish like that.
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 4:17:06 PM
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| I agree with all your comments but still am surprised he hasn't taken the next step somewhere--asst in AHL or college. Junior would be tough for him to slide into especially the eastern provinces. Would hope someone in the Montreal/Nashville organization has seen enough of him over the past few years to find a spot for him. Not sure what else he can learn etc in the ECHL. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 4:23:15 PM
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Originally posted by Catch22
Regardless of his background, I'd be surprised if some AHL team doesn't give him a shot.
AHL teams have very little say, with most teams having no say, in who gets a shot at coaching the team. The NHL parent club makes that decision. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 4:42:57 PM
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Former ECHL coaches working as head coaches in the NHL are Bruce Boudreau of the Washington Capitals, Scott Gordon of the New York Islanders and Peter Laviolette of the Philadelphia Flyers who led the Carolina Hurricanes to the Stanley Cup in 2006 while former ECHL player Dan Bylsma is the head coach of the Pittsburgh Penguins. Boudreau, who coached Mississippi for three seasons winning the Kelly Cup championship in 1999, was named NHL Coach of the Year in 2007-08 becoming the first former ECHL coach to receive the award. Peter Laviolette began his coaching career with the Wheeling Nailers,. There are 15 assistant coaches in the NHL who were players or coaches in the ECHL. There are 10 head coaches and 18 assistant coaches in the American Hockey League with ECHL experience.
I know he has some obstacles--but it can be done. Good luck to him and I appreciate your concession that you feel he could be successful in the AHL. |
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taoistlumberjak
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 4:59:35 PM
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Ken Hitchcock had no playing experience. He hasn't been the greatest coach as of late, but he was once a pretty good coach.
Scottie Bowman had very limited playing experience (due to injury). I suppose he turned out to be a fairly decent coach.
I don't buy the "no playing experience" excuse, especially when Weber's experience was at the ACHA Division 1 level, which is absolutely nothing to sneer at. |
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ClonesFanNKY
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 5:57:18 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
[quote]Originally posted by dbc
5) Coaches in relative obscurity as the ECHL is not heavily scouted by the NHL. NHL teams don't see the Cyclones play enough (if at all) to get a read on the systems he employs, his ability to get the best out of his players, etc like the coaches in the WHL, OHL, QMJHL, USHL and major college hockey, who's teams play every night in front of NHL general managers, assistant general managers and scouts.
Thats fun that you said that it goes to show how much you really know. In the month of january I know of 6 NHL scouts that were in USBA(and none of them was from the clones affl)They were from the Blackhawks, Blues, Rangers,to name a few. How do i know this you say? B/C i was standing right there when they showed their IDS's to the usba staff and said im with So and So team. I even talked to the guy from the blackhawks and ask him who was he scouting? He told me a few guys from both teams. You see DH the one thing about playing in Cincinnati we have a Major airport 15 mins away from the arena and a NHL scout can be in the building any given night. But I thought you would know that being the hockey guru that you are!! |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 6:04:24 PM
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| An NHL scout can be in the building every night, but they're not. I said the league was not heavily scouted, and it's not. |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 6:24:32 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
An NHL scout can be in the building every night, but they're not. I said the league was not heavily scouted, and it's not.
I would guess though plenty of AHL teams float some scouts around so adding
the AHL and NHL scouts probably means above 70% coverage. I'm sure Houston
never saw Pierce before asking for a PTO a few weeks ago. In the same way,
Weber and his coaches have their feelers out in all the lower ranks looking
for the next quick fill in. |
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 6:36:18 PM
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| I will have to agree with Donnie on a few things, Chuck has never played hockey in the Pro ranks, does it matter not really but it really does help a person get noticed more easier, Chuck did come up through the ranks through the back door from Video Coordinator of the Solar Bears to spending all but one year with the ECHL. Of course though somebody usually starts coaching in a low level league with no head coaching experience everybody starts with no head coaching experience anywhere when they get their first head job. However 4 years in the ECHL as a assistant is one thing 4 years as a head coach with one of the leagues best teams with his record to me means he is on borrowed time and its unfortunate for us but good for him is quite possibly running very low, but I hope he stays but he needs to go higher because he does deserve it. And if he does go higher maybe Dean can come in and do the same job if he wants it. |
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Donnie Hockey
(Loves To Post!)
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 6:36:51 PM
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Originally posted by bags
[I would guess though plenty of AHL teams float some scouts around so adding
the AHL and NHL scouts probably means above 70% coverage. I'm sure Houston
never saw Pierce before asking for a PTO a few weeks ago. In the same way,
Weber and his coaches have their feelers out in all the lower ranks looking
for the next quick fill in.
AHL teams don't have scouts. When an AHL team needs a player, the assistant general manager for the NHL parent club or the coach of the AHL team will usually call the coach of the lower level team and ask for recommendations.
As for the comment Ken Hitchock never played pro hcokey, true, but he also was a very successful coach for Kamloops of the WHL and had been an assistant coach with the Philadelphia Flyers before the Dallas Stars hired him to be the head coach of their top farm club in Kalamazoo of the old IHL. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 02/14/2010 6:51:07 PM |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
865 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2010 : 6:59:21 PM
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| Guys--all I did to start this was say nice things about the coaches and my hope they would move up. It was my opinion. Lets not let this thing go the way of most topics here turning into a p,,,ing contest about who is right and who is wrong and a disagreement on hockey history and how things work. Wow--cant even say something nice about the coaches!!!! |
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ClonesFanNKY
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 8:04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
An NHL scout can be in the building every night, but they're not. I said the league was not heavily scouted, and it's not.
thats funny 8 home games in January and out of them 8 games USBA had scouts at 6 of them. Not to bad if you ask me. |
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