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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
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 Posted - 02/16/2010 : 9:44:34 PM
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Alright, here's a disclaimer: This is just a hypothetical situation, a question up for discussion. I'm not claiming to have any inside information, not claiming this would happen and not claiming that it likely could ever happen. So, just an interesting topic to discuss, cool?
With Johnstown relocating to Greenville, Wheeling rumored to fold and rumors about Detroit looking to place their AHL affiliation eventually in Toledo, the Cyclones travel costs and division would greatly change. My question is, if something like that were to occur or if the ECHL would run into trouble...would you support a new team at USBA even if it wasn't called the Cyclones? For example, say Neiderlander Entertainment purchased an AHL franchise, relocated it to USBA, but called it a new name. Also curious to know if when they brought back the current Cyclones franchise, had they called it something different, would you guys still support it? Would there still be a Section 60? Obviously brand loyalty goes a long way and the Cyclones have been a local name for awhile, just curious to hear what people have to say. |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
676 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2010 : 10:09:03 PM
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Hockey is hockey. We used to drive 2 hours to SPHL games because its what was available to us.
But I don't think there are any AHL affiliations currently available.
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Cyclonesdiehard
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2010 : 10:11:33 PM
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| After the Cyclones died I was ready to move on, and support the next phase of CINCINNATI hockey. Now that the Cyclones are here, and will remain here as long as hockey is played at USBA I doubt Nederlander will ever change the name when they have branded their hockey team the Cyclones. I support all teams that are named Cincinnati first unless they come into an existing market, and try to take away from the existing team. For example if the Cincinnati Greens in the AL came to challenge the Reds I would never ever go to a Greens game because this is the Reds' city. |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2010 : 10:12:03 PM
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| I'm not saying there are and I'd see a lot of people on here still supporting a different team at the USBA. Just curious how things would've gone is say they had used a different name. |
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cyclonehole
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2010 : 01:01:43 AM
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When you throw around all these scenarios, the question would also have to be, well, what did happen to the Cyclones? Did they relocate to another league or something similar, such as when the IHL when under and they moved to the ECHL while another team in another league came in? That would of course add a big dynamic to the situation because the Cyclones would still be playing.
The answer, put simply, would be yes, I would support any Cincinnati team, regardless of the league. But "support" comes in a variety of ways. For example, I supported the Ducks when they were here, co-existing with the Cyclones. I went to some games and recommended games to friends, but I went to a lot more Cyclones games, because I had been following the team (yes, I say "team" as in the name "Cyclones", regardless of which incarnation it was) since the early 90s. The fact that my game-attending ratio in that span was probably 10:1 in favor of the Cyclones over the Ducks, that could be looked at as showing more "support", so if that's the case, so be it. But when the Cyclones were on the road and I needed a hockey fix, I was glad to head over to the Gardens with no animosity. It wasn't about choosing sides, it was actually rather natural, you spend more of your time following the team you grew up watching or started following first. I didn't buy RR season tickets but have been accused of not supporting them because I'm a diehard Cyclones fan*. But I've never been a Cyclones STH either. I'm a college student who works a part-time job so I have always bought tickets game by game.
I should also add that literal location (the building) would somewhat influence me as well. It wouldn't make it break if I supported the team, because I would, but I have grown to like USBA quite a bit as a venue. I enjoy the Gardens and appreciate its legacy and genuine 'hockey barn' feel and atmosphere, but I much prefer going to a game downtown than in Norwood. I believe it was Elvis who put it nicely into words in another thread a while ago about why he likes USBA and its setting. They both have its pros and cons. I personally don't mind the size and like the fact that I can get up and sit with various friends in between periods and being able to exit through multiple doors on the concourse with breathing room, among other things. Just throwing this tidbit out there since you mentioned a new team coming into USBA. The moral here isn't that I would not support a team more or less depending on the building, but that I might be inclined to take i a few more at one from the POV of a casual fan.
*I don't mean to stereotype you in saying you fit any of these characteristics I've described regarding the whole "support" issue, but I'm just throwing it out there for reference, as I imagine there are/were a lot of people in my shoes. |
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elvis77
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Posted - 02/17/2010 : 02:32:34 AM
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Unfortunately, the question of "why" the Cyclones are no longer around would have to be answered but if I understand your premise correctly, "the new team" would be coming in because the current ECHL franchise moved on due to internal issues dealing with it's League and not...well, I'm not going to go there.
As I've said before, I prefer the location of USBA so I would prefer to watch my hockey there, regardless of the league or team name. If something were to happen and Neiderlander were to bring in a franchise in a new league with a new name I would support it, just as I supported the Railraider attempt and as I currently support the Cyclones. I will support the team that IS here or IS attempting to bring hockey to the area. If that team moves on, I would support another venture regardless of the name, league or building it's played in provided the new venture was need as a result of one teams departure and not the reason for it.
I personally don't think it would happen. The ownership has spent time building a fanbase around the team name "Cyclones" not the League or level of minor league hockey. As has been stated be for, hockey in Cincinnati is more about entertainment value than anything and the front office is trying to market the Cyclones as such (sometime they do it well, sometimes they don't). If the name is available for them to use it just makes sense from a marketing standpoint to continue using the same name, especially if the transition between Leagues was from one season to the next. If there was period of more than 2 years in which there was no team the team name would not be as big of a factor in the marketing effort upon the re-entry of hockey into the market. As a side note, I was told during the 06-07 season that there were some in the front office that wanted to bring the "Stingers" moniker back rather than "Cyclones"
As far as section60 goes, and you'd have to check with Jevers and the rest of the regulars actually sit in section 60 (140), I would imagine that as long as we are all attending games there will be a "section 60." The "CycWard" name might have to change though.
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taoistlumberjak
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 02/17/2010 : 07:39:47 AM
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Why not. I was a proud supporter of the Mighty Ducks and the Cyclones for a while.
Hockey is hockey is hockey. I think the city's hockey community lost its collective mind with the split, so I don't want to see 2 teams in the city. I'd welcome anything else, though, if the ECHL Cyclones were gone. |
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ray m
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Posted - 02/17/2010 : 1:09:11 PM
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| If something happened and the Cyclones went bye-bye and another team, be it AHL or whatever, took their place then yes, I would be a supporter. When we had the Ducks-Cyclones thing going simultaneously back in the day I did not buy into the Ducks at all. I did not go to a single Ducks game. I don't know why, I just didn't. Probably because my hockey interest began with the Cyclones in the 90's and I just preferred to remain a Cyclones fan exclusively. Looking back now, it was kind of eccentric thinking, but that's just how I felt back then. Nowadays if that same thing were to happen, I would likely see myself going to a handful of games but the majority of my hockey-watching dollars would still go to watching the 'Clones. |
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XcloneiacX
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USA
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Posted - 02/17/2010 : 2:42:23 PM
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| I'll support any hockey in Cincinnati. I've always been a supporter of the local Jr teams, be it the Cobras, Steam, Gems, and now the Troy Bruins. Hockey is hockey and I love that I get to watch it while I work at Sports Plus, its just my sport and truthgully its a huge part of my life too. |
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BP2011
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USA
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Posted - 02/17/2010 : 4:31:48 PM
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| I live 30 seconds from the Gardens and went to Ducks games because of the free parking, though I didnt go alot probably 6 or 7 in the 8 years of exsitance but if another team was to play at the Gardens I would go because of the free parking (example Cincinnati Commandos gives me a reason to go back to the old barn) but if they played at USBA I still would go even if I have to pay for parking, I am a Cincinnati sports fan that has been waiting for years to have consecutive winning teams and the Cyclones have given that to me, if another hockey team came in and won, or the owners were good and wanted to win then yes, it doesnt matter to me where, just that hockey was in Cincinnati and were doing good, but they have to have good owners for a long run and that is the most important thing |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 02/17/2010 : 4:58:43 PM
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I don't see how anyone could think this city could support two hockey teams. It barely supports one.
Two teams would hurt both, just like CART and IRL screwed up indycar racing. Its just a dumb idea.
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2010 : 11:20:28 PM
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| A lot of good points here. Seems everyone has the mentality that hockey is hockey is hockey. I think in general hockey fans would be in support of a team in town regardless of its name, was just curious. I think it would've been interesting had they brought back the Stingers branding with the return of the team in 2006-2007, but I agree it helps to have consistency with the Cyclones name already established. |
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Clawd
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2010 : 4:23:21 PM
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| The 'Cyclones' that you're watching now is really a rebranded Miami Matadors. The original Cyclones folded long ago. |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2010 : 4:59:56 PM
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Originally posted by Clawd
The 'Cyclones' that you're watching now is really a rebranded Miami Matadors. The original Cyclones folded long ago.
Oh yes, I'm well aware. That's why I was curious as to when Neiderlander Entertainment purchased the franchise and renamed it the Cyclones if people would've still had the same support/fandom around it if they had called it something else. |
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tjpavlik
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2010 : 5:33:09 PM
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I would have liked a new name. Many have said the Cyclones moniker was associated with failure both on and off the ice so a fresh start (name) should have been a no brainer.
I imagine that when the RailRaiders attempt failed the decision to reactivate the ECHL franchise was made quickly and the easiest way to pull that off was to dust off what was already there, namely the Cyclones name.
That being said the Cyclones have redeemed themselves both on and off the ice and I will continue to support them. Should they leave I will support the team that plays locally regardless of name. |
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KRLPhotos
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USA
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Posted - 02/25/2010 : 02:27:12 AM
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| to answer the question, Yes. even now when the clones are out of town i go to collage (UC and Xavier) hockey games and the Queen City Steam, since i was born i have followed every team to wear cincinnati on there sweater, and i will continue to do so for every cincinnati hockey team...except elder lol |
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