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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
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 Posted - 03/03/2010 : 11:36:35 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
You can go next door and see some of the best young players in Major League Baseball such as Joey Votto and Jay Bruce and enjoy an ice cold Pepsi or beer for less than you can see a low level minor league hockey game. The bleacher seats at GABP offer a great view of the field.
Yep...Nothing I'd rather go see more than major league baseball's cellar-dwellar Reds suck for another season. I'm willing to bet Cyclones hockey attendance will go up again next year regardless of this.
Typical D.H. and his cronies to once again try to put a negative spin on anything the Cyclones do. |
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justmom
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 11:42:57 AM
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| Anybody remember what the prices were before they dropped a couple of years ago? I want to say $14 but I think I'm wrong. Either way they are roughly back to where they were 2 or 3 years ago. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 12:09:33 PM
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The prices in 2006-07 were $17 (sides) and $12 (ends). The team dropped prices to $10 in late December of 2007.
The team engaged in all types of discounting (2 for 1, $5 off) as well.
It will be interesting to see if the Cyclones remain committed to a one price standard and continue to not discount tickets in any manner (at least of which I'm aware). |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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elvis77
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 12:15:29 PM
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Every one brings up good points.
The $1 increase shouldn't effect the die hard hockey fan too much and the fact that the Club discounts the season tickets so heavily is a great incentive to become a season ticket holder. However, in order for the team to really have growth in the attendance department it is about catering to the casual fan.
The team does a decent job with game night promos and marketing itself as a budget friendly form of family entertainment which is what they need to survive in this market. People in Cincinnati don't really care about hockey, especially minor league hockey, so it has to be affordable and fun. The question is, where is the ceiling? At what price will people stop attending as many games?
Many, but not all, hockey fans could give a crap about baseball and the Reds, so that is really a pointless argument in regards to them. However, since it's not really about the die hard, the Reds do come into play. For the casual fan it's about affordable, fun entertainment and the Reds can compare to the Cyclones in that department. Luckily, baseball is a "summer" sport and hockey is a "winter" one so there isn't much overlap. I don't think the casual fan thinks too much about going to a basball game in July when thinking about going to a hockey game in February.
As a side bar to something Donnie Hockey mentioned about attendance rankings and ticket revenue. The ECHL attendance stats need to be taken with a grain of salt since some teams count "tickets out" while the Cyclones and a few others count the actual gate figures. Also, as far as ticket revenue goes, I'm not sure where you get your information but I have not seen any public statements regarding ticket revenue, so if you information comes from one of your sources, please state the source. I'm not saying the Cyclones are raking in the cash and the ticket price increase is probably an attempt at increasing their ticket revenue which would indicate that ticket revenue is not where the Club would like it to be, but without stating the source of your information it is basically just pointless banter. Also, while I've heard that the County sets the prices for the East and West Garages on event days, but I've also heard that the Cyclones set the prices and that they get a cut of the parking. I'm not sure which is true but if the Cyclones set the prices and get a cut, that would have to be considered along with the ticket revenue. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 12:35:53 PM
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Originally posted by elvis77
Every one brings up good points.
As a side bar to something Donnie Hockey mentioned about attendance rankings and ticket revenue. The ECHL attendance stats need to be taken with a grain of salt since some teams count "tickets out" while the Cyclones and a few others count the actual gate figures. Also, as far as ticket revenue goes, I'm not sure where you get your information but I have not seen any public statements regarding ticket revenue, so if you information comes from one of your sources, please state the source. I'm not saying the Cyclones are raking in the cash and the ticket price increase is probably an attempt at increasing their ticket revenue which would indicate that ticket revenue is not where the Club would like it to be, but without stating the source of your information it is basically just pointless banter. Also, while I've heard that the County sets the prices for the East and West Garages on event days, but I've also heard that the Cyclones set the prices and that they get a cut of the parking. I'm not sure which is true but if the Cyclones set the prices and get a cut, that would have to be considered along with the ticket revenue.
Great post. Expect a legit source at your own peril.
Based on my knowledge and experience, I would submit the following regarding ticket revenues:
Teams which the Cyclones definitely beat in total ticket revenue: Johnstown, Wheeling, and Trenton.
Teams which the Cyclones probably beat in total ticket revenue: Utah and Las Vegas.
Teams which the Cyclones are probably very similar in total ticket revenue: Kalamazoo, Elmira, Idaho, Victoria and South Carolina.
Teams which have significantly greater ticket revenue than the Cyclones would be: Stockton, Gwinnett, Charlotte and Reading.
Teams which have ticket revenue the Cyclones aren't even close to would be: Toledo, Ontario, Bakersfield, and Florida.
After all is said and done, the Cyclones probably rank in the middle of the pack of the league. I'd guess they'd rank anywere from 10th through 14th in total ticket revenues.
The Cyclones get a much greater percentage of concessions than almost all of the other teams. No surprise given that they own the arena.
As far as parking is concerned, I've always heard that the Cyclones are completely "out of the loop" on it in terms of both pricing and receiving revenue.
Of course, if I were a member of management, I'd probably claim that I had nothing to do with it either
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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cyclonehole
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 12:44:48 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
The Reds have a great opportunity to use the Cyclones ticket price increase to market themselves as more affordable for families than minor league hockey.
Yeah, only they're not delusional. They realize that they're a small market team who will host 81 home games a season, in a stadium with a capacity of 42,000. They're not trying to sell tickets less than $13 to be competitive with other markets, they do so because they need to in order to get people in the gates, just like the Cyclones.
BTW - the Reds finished in the bottom 5 of all MLB attendance last season (in a league with 10 more teams than the ECHL, since that seems to be the point you're arguing). |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 1:04:33 PM
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Originally posted by cloneinator
Typical D.H. and his cronies to once again try to put a negative spin on anything the Cyclones do.
Who would you call his cronies? |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 1:12:25 PM
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| Donnie H--in your all knowing wisdom do you think DD could play for the Reds once he is cut by Montreal? |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 1:30:52 PM
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Originally posted by Catch22
Yep. You can go watch the Reds lose and not make the playoffs. Again. Or you can watch the best pro team in Cincinnati.
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Originally posted by cloneinator
Yep...Nothing I'd rather go see more than major league baseball's cellar-dwellar Reds suck for another season. I'm willing to bet Cyclones hockey attendance will go up again next year regardless of this.
Hockey fans who hate baseball telling other hockey fans who hate baseball that they love hockey and hate baseball on a hockey message board? Wow. Glad that was posted. I'm sure the parts about the Reds losing and the Cyclones winning will really shake the foundation of the whole city's sports attending habits. People will surely flock to the Cyclones ticket windows now, while staying away from GABP.
Since everyone is so enamored by this topic, hrc can be the pied-piper and lead all interested parties downtown to the courthouse to view the actual figures. Admissions tax paid. It's public record. Find out what the tax rate is and then get out your calculators and wristwatches and figure out the Cyclones' exact ticket revenue number. Post it here. Call the Enquirer, TV and radio stations, the Reds and Bengals ticket offices, and make sure to tell everyone in town about this wonderful, accurately researched number. Write books about it.
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eagleoneoh
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USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 1:58:07 PM
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| You cant compare the reds to the cyclones ticket prices first the reds have way more home games so they can charge less for certain seating options. Since most of you want to compare the value her are the hard statistical facts you take a 40 game ticket package in the mid range seating option you are paying 755.00 for one seat. The 40 game ticket package is for 1/2 season for the reds. If you are happy to set in bleacher seats the price would be 305.00 for the reds. For about the same amount of money you can get full season tickets to Minor League Hockey. Quit complaining about ticket prices they are still very affordable. If you are that upset buy one less thing form the food stands per game and you would save more money the increase on tickets |
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cyclonesfan7180
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 2:10:00 PM
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| Quit whining about the ticket prices. You can spend virtually the same amount of money to sit at center ice to watch a winning team as you can to sit in the freaking upper deck and watch a 10 years and running losing franchise and lets not even get into NFL prices. So what- $13.00 is a heck of a deal if you ask me. |
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Donnie Hockey
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USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 2:24:05 PM
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| Outside of about 500 people, nobody that goes to the Cyclones games knows what their record is, nor do they care. They're going because of the $1 beers, $1 hotdogs, $1 pizza. That's what's bringing them in -- not winning. |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 2:40:29 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Outside of about 500 people, nobody that goes to the Cyclones games knows what their record is, nor do they care. They're going because of the $1 beers, $1 hotdogs, $1 pizza. That's what's bringing them in -- not winning.
Exactly.
Thanks for copying my point from another thread. I feel all smart and crap now since the almighty DH agrees with me on something.
If I keep going, maybe one day I'll be as awesome as you!!!
Answer me a couple of questions O Great One...
1. What hockey alternative to the current Cyclones has ever done BETTER here in Cincy? Help me out. I'm new here and all I see in the city's past is a record of one failed team after another. What OTHER Cincy hockey team has made the playoffs every year, won a championship, and reached the point of drawing 6000+ fans to weekend games? I'm new here. Inform me oh keeper of the grail!
2. So there are 500 actual hockey fans in Cincinnati. OK. Tell me again why the ECHL and $13 tickets is a bad idea?
3. What plan of yours is BETTER than the current plan? Lets say you reach your apparent goal of cincinnati Hockey Domination and vanquish the current cyclones to the pro sports trash bin... What are you going to replace it with? You know, for the 500 of us that just want to watch a damned hockey game?
Some of you folks really, seriously need to get a grip. Given this town's record of hockey franchise failures, and the issues the current team has with sometimes not breaking the 1000 mark for weekday games, we should all be thankful there is any team here at all.
Donnie Hockey!!! Oh GOD of all things hockey in Cincinnati!!! Please tell us unwashed masses how you will vanquish the evil failure that is the ECHL Cyclones and replace it with an AHL team that sells out season ticket packages for $10 a game... On the glass... With free hot dogs and prostitutes!!!
We all eagerly await the pearls to drop from your lips. PLEASE SAVE US FROM THIS BURNING HOCKEY HELL oh great Donnie Hockey!!!
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Yes, I grew up playing hockey... In Alabama. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 2:40:58 PM
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| Donnie H--Seeing as how you have shown time and time again that you don't care about the Cyclones, does that mean you go to the few games you do because of the $1 specials? |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 4:37:26 PM
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No. He goes because its the only hockey in town.
See what I did there?
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Yes, I grew up playing hockey... In Alabama. |
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