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Gordon Bombay
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 Posted - 03/03/2010 : 5:07:44 PM
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Originally posted by eagleoneoh
You cant compare the reds to the cyclones ticket prices first the reds have way more home games so they can charge less for certain seating options. Since most of you want to compare the value her are the hard statistical facts you take a 40 game ticket package in the mid range seating option you are paying 755.00 for one seat. The 40 game ticket package is for 1/2 season for the reds. If you are happy to set in bleacher seats the price would be 305.00 for the reds. For about the same amount of money you can get full season tickets to Minor League Hockey. Quit complaining about ticket prices they are still very affordable. If you are that upset buy one less thing form the food stands per game and you would save more money the increase on tickets
To be fair, I don't think anyone was comparing getting Reds season tickets over Cyclones season tickets, rather single game ticekts. While the seasons typically don't overlap much to the average/casual fan who is just looking for cheap entertainment or to take his family to do something, the Cyclones just raised prices. So now you're looking at multiple options of cheap Reds tickets compared to $13 as the lowest Clones ticket price. Then you have to compare the better value, if you got kids which has the cheaper food and such, ones major league baseball, ones minor league hockey etc. To die hard hockey fans/baseball fans obviously the choice is clear, but to the casual fan or person looking for cheap entertainment it becomes a tougher choice.
Typically though the seasons don't overlap much, especially in the fall unless the Reds make the postseason (shouldn't have to worry about that for awhile har har). |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
160 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2010 : 5:15:23 PM
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Originally posted by eagleoneoh
Quit complaining about ticket prices they are still very affordable.
They are still pretty affordable, I'm just saying that a team that is doing a better job each year of getting their name out there through various promotion and community outreach, as TwoMinutes pointed out, should be careful of where they tread with ticket prices. They really got their name out there as being an entertainment value and as they've continue to raise prices they are becoming less of a value in comparison to other entertainment options, not just the Reds and other sports. |
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elvis77
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 6:44:07 PM
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I completely agree that with what Gordon is saying. The job of any business is to maximize revenue, hence the $1 price increase. The problem as has been stated is the that the Team is marketing themselves as affordable, fun entertainment and with the increase in ticket prices the Organization begins to enter a price range where there are other options. As a hockey fan, I would much rather watch hockey than a baseball game but what about the family of 4 that comes to games casually?
There is a cap to what the Cyclones can charge for tickets. At some point attendance growth will plateau or even decline due to increases in price, AKA. decreased entertainment value. Not only does the Team need to be competitive within the sports markets, but at $13 plus parking, plus food and drink, suddenly going to a movie might look like better to a family on a friday night or a young couple on a date.
I'm not saying that $13 tickets is going to wreck the Team but it is a slippery slope they are one given Their marketing efforts. |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 8:01:27 PM
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Originally posted by elvis77
I'm not saying that $13 tickets is going to wreck the Team but it is a slippery slope they are one given Their marketing efforts.
I think that sums it up perfectly. As a hockey fan/fan of this team I will definitely be attending games, but I think they're walking a slippery slope as you mentioned when it comes to the casual fans.
I'm more bummed about the half season option disappearing. I can't really do a full season with work and other obligations so I'm gonna have to weigh the options of the 24 and 12 vs. a Blue Jackets 10 game package. |
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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 8:06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Gordon Bombay
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Originally posted by elvis77
I'm not saying that $13 tickets is going to wreck the Team but it is a slippery slope they are one given Their marketing efforts.
I think that sums it up perfectly. As a hockey fan/fan of this team I will definitely be attending games, but I think they're walking a slippery slope as you mentioned when it comes to the casual fans.
I'm more bummed about the half season option disappearing. I can't really do a full season with work and other obligations so I'm gonna have to weigh the options of the 24 and 12 vs. a Blue Jackets 10 game package.
I hated to see the half season go also. I bought three half seasons this year but will probably go to two of the two-thirds next year. Too many schedule conflicts to be able to make every game.
I hope the Blue Jackets are still solvent with all I've read about some of their financial woes. |
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JTest
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 8:23:20 PM
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| After the aweful schedule this year (so many weekday games) I am not renewing my season tickets. Whoever signed off on this years schedule should be fired! Want better ticket revenue.......add more weekend games! We got screwed this year1 |
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ARSClone
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 8:36:22 PM
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I plan on getting season tickets again .... I got tired of reading everyone elses posts so this may have already been mentioned....
SEASON TICKET HOLDERS CAN ENTER THE ARENA 15 MINUTES EALIER THAN EVERYONE ELSE......
This new "benefit" is one of the most stupid things I've heard.. and you can try to justify by saying you can beat the crowds on promotion nights but it still will be stupid... take this benefit and the silk screen poster (wooooooo!! cant wait for that) and lower my ticket price... the only good gift we got were the blankets.
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cyclonehole
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 8:46:17 PM
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The schedule has been that way for years and will continue to be that way. That is what happens when the arena (and USBA is much larger than most ECHL arenas, thus drawing a lot more weekend events) owns the team. I don't imagine you've been a STH very long if you're all of a sudden outraged just over the amount of weeknight games this season.
I find the Reds argument/comparison to be pointless, not to mention apples and oranges. The Reds are a small market MLB team who has to compete with 29 other (most of them much larger) markets. With a stadium with a capacity of over 42,000 and 81 home games to host, you had better believe they are going to offer multiple ticketing options less than $13 (or $10 for that matter) such as the bleachers section, and have added $1 concession stands, etc. In regards to getting people into GABP, it's much like the Cyclones as far as promotions, cheap tickets, etc. The only Reds games that sell out are opening day, bobblehead games, the Cleveland series, and if a major team such as NYY comes to town in inter-league play. Where the two do differ is attendance purely based on on-field success, which the Reds haven't had in some time, and thus they have consistently finished in the bottom ten or so in all MLB attendance, last year in the bottom five.
The Reds may offer a better "deal" than the Cyclones, but what difference does it make? As has already been mentioned, 90% of the regular season is over before we start getting dates that correspond with Reds games. There is playoffs, but playoff attendance has never been a problem. I'm certainly not worried about a handful of games in which casual fans sit down and weight their options on which is the better value when the majority of both seasons are played without the other happening next door. If the Reds want to take the advice someone mentioned earlier and market themselves as the best entertainment value in town (which won't happen), it would be pathetic because they're a major league team bothering to try to take steam away from an AA-team of a different sport, and the bottom line is that both of them via promotions, ticket prices, etc. are desperately trying to get in fans because neither are in the upper half of their league's overall attendance (that being said, I hope the Cyclones can finish at least about in the middle of the pack at the end of this year). |
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ClonesFanNKY
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Posted - 03/05/2010 : 2:42:12 PM
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I for one WILL be renewing my season tickets .
Not because they rasies tickets and not because they
are letting me in 15 mins before everyone else and not because
of anything else but because I LOVE HOCKEY(and i like knowing I will
have my seame seat all year) I do agree that they need to have a cap on how high they will raise tickets. But $13 is still cheep for the echl.Ipaid $15.50 in Kalamazoo for the same seats i pay $12 for here in Cincinnati. So its not that bad . And remeber that if you buy a season ticket package your ticket don't go to waste if you dont use them.and thats a BIG PLUS for me. |
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Cyclonesdiehard
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Posted - 03/05/2010 : 5:05:07 PM
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| I believe 15 will be the ceiling. Anything else people will quit going. The management is slowly raising prices to 15, and then I think it will hold there for awhile. |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 03/07/2010 : 02:10:17 AM
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Originally posted by cyclonehole
I find the Reds argument/comparison to be pointless, not to mention apples and oranges. The Reds are a small market MLB team who has to compete with 29 other (most of them much larger) markets.
I wouldn't say it's completely pointless and the reds aren't really competing against the other MLB markets (i.e. The Reds aren't vying for fans in the New York market). Their pricing structure is based on their specific market, they're not really competing for attention from local fans against other MLB teams.
I think the point being made is that while the Cyclones increase in ticket prices isn't really that significant and probably won't lead to a decrease in attendance, if any at all, the Cyclones are creeping towards being less of a value in comparison to not only other sports entertainment like the Reds, but other entertainment options as well. I think one area where this increase will start to hurt them is group sales, where they don't offer a discount on tickets regardless of how many you purchase, for many other sports franchises (both minor and pro) this is a no brainer.
My hope is that with the increase in ticket prices we'll also see in increase in promotions and marketing like we've seen the past few seasons (i.e. television ads, billboard ads). For many, I think the Cyclones are still kind of a secret. I'm finally getting friends to start asking me regularly: "Hey, when's the next dollar beer night, I wanna go back to a clones game!" I'm hoping they continue to crank up their exposure. |
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cyclonehole
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Posted - 03/07/2010 : 09:33:54 AM
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I wouldn't say it's completely pointless and the reds aren't really competing against the other MLB markets (i.e. The Reds aren't vying for fans in the New York market). Their pricing structure is based on their specific market, they're not really competing for attention from local fans against other MLB teams.
the Cyclones are creeping towards being less of a value in comparison to not only other sports entertainment like the Reds, but other entertainment options as well.
Their pricing structure is not only based on the market but the fact that they have struggled with attendance in recent years, as I said, even finishing in the bottom 5 of 30 MLB team last year. I just wanted to make that clear when stuff is being thrown out about the better "value" you get with the Reds ... there is a reason for it, just like there was a reason the Cyclones were able to try the $10 experiment last year. I get the point that the Reds can technically be a better "value", but I think most people see it with some perspective ... the Reds have to cater to a much, much larger stadium with a much, much longer season, and on top of that, the team hasn't put together a winning season in several years.
For the latter part of your post, there's not really anything they can do about being lesser of a value than "other entertainment options". We could not expect ticket prices to stay at ten bucks forever. Again, I simply don't but into the fact that a super-casual fan would sit down on a Friday evening and decide they won't go to a Cyclones games due to the prices but then wait a couple months until baseball season and rather spend that money on a Reds ticket. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see.
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elvis77
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Posted - 03/07/2010 : 10:57:58 AM
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The Cyclones V Reds comparison can be looked at from 2 perspectives. From the internal business perspective it's apples to oranges. The Reds bring a lot of revenue from other sources like TV broadcast rights and trademark licensing, so while they do still want to maximize ticket revenue they have some leeway to do things like drop ticket prices to bring people back to the ball park while the team is floundering season after season.
The other way is from the public's view point and how they feel like spending money for entertainment. The Cyclones (hockey, a sport which less of the public understands) have marketed themselves as a night of affordable, family fun. The Reds (baseball, a sport that almost everyone understands) is lowering prices to make games more affordable to entice families to come back out to the ball park. Since hockey and baseball are now in the same realm price wise, how will people spend their sports entertainment budget? If the season overlapped greatly, I think the Cyclones would be in trouble as more casual fans would take their families to baseball games. Luckily the season don't overlap too much. The Reds have usually closed up shop by the time hockey season starts and if the Cyclones make a deep playoff run the Reds are usually in the midst of their downward spiral, so that just leaves a handful of games in April. And as I and others have stated, because there is little overlap, I find it rather unlikely that a casual fan will choose to not attend a hockey game in January because of a baseball game in July.
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I for one love the 15 minute early entry perk. If you typically don't arrive until 7 or later then you probably don't feel the same way. As a season ticket holder I am guaranteed all premium items so there is no need for me to wait in line to get one. I and many other season ticket holders arrive early to socialize before games and to watch warm-ups. I will gladly take advantage of walking past the people waiting in line for "goaliejudge bobble heads" to head inside early, especially in January when it's 8 degrees outside. |
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Gordon Bombay
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Posted - 03/07/2010 : 1:01:13 PM
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Excellent points by both cyclonehole and elvis.
The only way I'll be missing a Cyclones playoff game for a Reds game is if they put Aroldis Chapman in the fifth pitching spot. :p |
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Hockey Traveller
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Posted - 03/07/2010 : 2:11:24 PM
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The Reds have usually closed up shop by the time hockey season starts and if the Cyclones make a deep playoff run the Reds are usually in the midst of their downward spiral, so that just leaves a handful of games in April.
I disagree with the downward spiral comment. Whether or not the Reds have a winning record through April, by the time May and June roll around, a few things happen which draws more people to baseball in this city, one is that the weather gets nicer, and two is that the kids get out of school. While I have no way of knowing this for sure (if I cared enough I guess I could call the Reds), my guess is that more groups start coming to Reds games in May and June than in April.
However, although the Cyclones' record throughout the season isn't much of a factor in whether or not people come to the games, their Kelly Cup run of a few years ago has REALLY benefitted them in the postseason. Most minor league sports teams experience a huge drop off in attendance during the postseason. Games are usually only scheduled about a week in advance, which obviously isn't reflected on any pocket or magnet schedule on Regular Joe Fan's refrigerator, which by mid-April has been replaced with a Reds schedule, and groups can't plan outings that quickly. |
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