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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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 Posted - 03/20/2010 : 10:04:07 PM
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Why we can't beat Toledo?
There is nothing special about these guys. Their goalies aren't great. Their record isn't great. And we played 3/4 of tonights game in their zone.
And still managed to lose. Again.
That might have been the most frustrating hockey game I've ever watched. It bumped the last home loss to Toledo off the top spot.
Ugh.
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Yes, I grew up playing hockey... In Alabama. |
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BannerLady
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2010 : 10:15:26 PM
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All I can say about this game is ......... OUCH!
Passes that did not connect; Passes to the opposition; Passing instead of taking a shot on goal when having a break-a-way; and an ineffective power play.
All in all a frustrating night. We all know that this team is capable of so much more!!!!!!!
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MikeyB
(Rookie)
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Posted - 03/21/2010 : 12:15:53 AM
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| Absolutely terrible. I don't get it, our team is so stacked with talent right now and we can't get anything going against Toledo. The score should have been 3-1. That first goal was pure slop. Not the kind of stuff that wins championships. |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
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Posted - 03/21/2010 : 06:29:16 AM
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Good news- if playoffs started today we are in third place and would
play Elmira in first round and Kalamazoo would play Toledo!! Didn't
we knock Toledo out of the playoffs the last yeat before their shut-
down ? Maybe this is Karma for them towards us ! The worst part of
last night was getting beat by a blue line shot and a long powerplay
shot in the third. Meanwhile we kept getting one golden chance after
another and coming up empty! |
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Shorty_Rock
(Finally Got A Star!)
USA
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Posted - 03/21/2010 : 08:56:30 AM
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Top three seeds go to the division winners regardless of points.
That said, if the playoffs started today here are the seeds:
1-SC vs 8-Reading
2-Kzoo vs 7 Toledo
3-Elmira vs 6-Florida
4-Cincy vs 5-Charlotte (Cincy has tiebreaker-Wins) |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/21/2010 : 10:45:07 AM
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| In the last four games against them we have given up 8 goals but have only scored five. Problem then seems to be our offense against them. My opinion is that they do three things that make it difficult for us. First they keep us out of the area around the goal and that is where we score most of our goals. Think of the two last night--first a wrap around and the second from just off the post. They tie us up very well in front and that makes our passes look bad when it is more often their ability to stay on our sticks and tie us up in front on those passes from the corners.. Second they keep our shots to the sides below the dots-easier saves. I can't remember more than 2-3 shots we had from the slot last night and Pierce made great glove saves on two of them. Shots on goal can be deceiving--scoring chances are more important. We spent a lot of time in the offensive zone cycling etc but didn't generate a lot of scoring chances. Third they kept the lanes closed from the points so all of our shots were wide or blocked. (on the other hand--all of their goals were on sequences started at the point rather than down low). By keeping their defense back on the blue line and starting their plays all night with slap shots rather than cycling, they prevented any odd man rushes for us which is something you usually see a lot of from the Cyclones. In short their defensive scheme is well designed to counter our offensive scheme. |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
2224 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2010 : 10:54:34 AM
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Originally posted by Shorty_Rock
Top three seeds go to the division winners regardless of points.
That said, if the playoffs started today here are the seeds:
1-SC vs 8-Reading
2-Kzoo vs 7 Toledo
3-Elmira vs 6-Florida
4-Cincy vs 5-Charlotte (Cincy has tiebreaker-Wins)
That's even better- If Toledo wins, they would play the Elmira/Florida
winner leaving us to face them in the semi-finals. Bottom line is the
weakness we show to Toledo is now being studied by all our oponents. |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
676 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2010 : 11:13:33 AM
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Well, we don't play Charlotte much better than we play Toledo. Charlotte seems to just use superior size to push us around.
More than anything it seems like we just play poorly against Toledo. Last nights game *could* have been 4-1 at the end of the first, but we missed the goal on several excellent scoring chances. Lacroix alone had 3 excellent chances in the first and missed all of them. Sproat missed a couple as well.
If it just happened once... Fine. But it seems like we do this every time we play these guys.
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
676 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2010 : 9:24:04 PM
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Annnnnd Toledo goes to Wheeling tonight and gets slaughtered.
Somebody on that club has a Twister voodoo doll. I'm betting it's Scooter.
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
865 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2010 : 10:26:47 PM
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| The last two Wheeling goals today were empty netters. What is strange is that I think Kalamazoo is a better team than Toledo yet we are are 3-8 against Toledo, 9-4 against Kalamazoo, and those two teams are 5-5 with each other. In total among the three, we are 12-12, Toledo is 13-8, and Kalamazoo is 9-14 yet is in first place in the Division, we are in 2nd, and Toledo a distant third !!. Once again it seems to be match-ups. Looks to me like there are several teams in the Conference who could win the Championship. Would be nice for us to have someone else knock Toledo out early |
Edited by - dbc on 03/21/2010 10:40:21 PM |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
676 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2010 : 11:17:20 PM
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I have been thinking all year that the Toledo thing is a matchup issue, but damned if I can actually figure out what it is. And last night was definately NOT a matchup issue, it was just missed opportunities and some bad decisions for the home team. The Cyclones dominated that game except for the final score, and thats at least the 3rd time thats happened against Toledo this season.
With Charlotte its not hard to spot the matchup issues. As a whole they are bigger and much more physical and the 'clones sometimes struggle with that.
Toledo... I just think we tend to play poorly against them and I have no clue why.
When I look at potential playoff matchups its not K'zoo and South Carolina I'd want to avoid. Its Charlotte (a long series against those guys would be ROUGH) and Toledo (I don't know WHY).
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Edited by - Catch22 on 03/21/2010 11:18:27 PM |
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Hakeedude
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/22/2010 : 05:53:59 AM
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I happened to be in Wheeling yesterday for business and went to the Toledo game. First two periods looked like a carbon copy of our last two games against them. Toledo was outshot and somewhat outplayed. Like DBC said they kept Wheeling tothe sides of the net for the most part. The game-winning 3rd Wheeling goal was a bad angle shot to the left of the goal near the redline, and just caught the net inside the post. Toledo pulled their goalie with over 2 minutes remaining and Wheeling capitalized twice.
A side note-Wheeling announced their attendance at about 2300 or so. There were maybe 500 people there at most. That's an awful lot of "tickets out" to jack up their figures. How do they ever get away with that? |
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Primis
(Finally Got A Star!)
USA
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Posted - 03/22/2010 : 10:31:53 AM
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I don't know why you guys can't beat Toledo. But yeah, the Wings also have a terrible time with Cincy.
The Wings struggle with Cincy because for some reason Cincy's game doesn't allow them to be bullied around. Kzoo bullies most other teams around. It's funny too because I don't see that it's because Cincy plays such a hard-nosed game or anything -- I've seen the Cyclones 3 times now and all 3 times they just played a very simple game that had the Wings chasing them. Cincy also then clogs up the neutral zone and prevents the WIngs form making that long first pass out to create a break.
Toledo however is a soft team IMHO. I don't know why Cincy struggles against them. I know when Cincy plays in Kalamazoo they usually play a dump & chase game and then try to get pucks from the deep corner back into the slot to get chances. Maybe Toledo's a better skating team and gets to more of those pucks in the corners, because I can't see them out-grinding Cincy in the corners? Or they have the slot clogged up so shots don't get through?
As a Red Wings fan I know what havoc blocked shots can wreak on a productive offense. Seen it happen so many times in the past 5 years. You can dominate all apsects of the game, but if those shots aren't getting through... |
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