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Donnie Hockey
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 Posted - 02/10/2011 : 7:59:46 PM
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Donnie--have one basic question. If you don't like the Cyclones, don't think any of the alumni are NHL quality, why do you even spend a minute on this board? Serious question and would appreciate a serious response.
When did I say I don't like the Cyclones? Can you find any post on this board where I've stated I don't like the Cyclones? Can you find one person that has ever heard me say I don't like the Cyclones?
BTW ... The Diminutive One made a nice pass to set up Max Pacioretty for a one-timer past Islander's goalie Mikko Koskinen in the first period tonight.
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somebeach
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 9:45:03 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by dbc
Donnie--have one basic question. If you don't like the Cyclones, don't think any of the alumni are NHL quality, why do you even spend a minute on this board? Serious question and would appreciate a serious response.
When did I say I don't like the Cyclones? Can you find any post on this board where I've stated I don't like the Cyclones? Can you find one person that has ever heard me say I don't like the Cyclones?
BTW ... The Diminutive One made a nice pass to set up Max Pacioretty for a one-timer past Islander's goalie Mikko Koskinen in the first period tonight.
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 10:07:23 PM
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 10:29:38 PM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/boxscore?gid=2011021010
Islanders 4-3 in shootout 2-10-2011
1st Period
14:10 Montreal Canadiens MON
Max Pacioretty 9 (David Desharnais, Jaroslav Spacek)
End of Overtime
4:53 New York Islanders NYI Z. Konopka won faceoff against D. Desharnais
Another assist for Desharnais and an interesting note. Even though
he lost the faceoff w/ 7 seconds in overtime, the fact is he was in
the game with 7 seconds left in overtime ! I take this as confidence
by Montreal to have him in at a crucial point of the game. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 04:33:15 AM
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With another point, +2 performance and a 10/14 (71%) face off showing, DD is really solidifying himself as a full-fledged member of the Canadiens. In fact, when one compares his performance to that of $7 million/year Scott Gomez, the case is very strong for DD to be the #2 center in Montreal.
Last night, former AHL linemates Pacioretty and Desharnais hooked up on a goal. DD should be reunited with Pacioretty and have Kostitsyn as his other winger. It's as much a case as DD earning the promotion as Gomez deserving the demotion. It would embarrass both Gomez and Canadien's managment to do this, so I think DD will remain at #3.
But he deserves to be the second line center.
OOOps. Silly me. I forgot that he's going back to Hamilton |
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hrc666
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 04:36:04 AM
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Originally posted by HECKLERFROMHELL
They know more than we ALL know...even Joe! Go Dave!!
Not possible.
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hrc666
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 04:45:35 AM
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http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110211/mtl_habshub_habit_110210/20110211/?hub=MontrealSports
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"I thought we showed some emotion, I liked some of the things that we did," Martin countered. "Desharnais, Pouliot and White gave us a real strong game. Some of the kids have elevated their game and are emerging."
Well, there's an unsolicited compliment, compounded by a more general endorsement of the team's young players. Keep that in mind for later.
As for David Desharnais, he really has put together a couple of nice games here with a goal and two assists and a plus-3 over these back-to-back losses.
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Martin even went so far as to put the line in the starting lineup, giving them a chance to make up for a poor game right off the bat.
"Probably you want more out of those individuals," Martin said, before going into a canned response about reviewing the "tape" and making the necessary adjustments for the next game.
That response may sound mild, but for Martin to say anything remotely negative to that question is another break from his established behavioural patterns.
When you combine the two diversions from his own instincts, you have Martin pumping the tires of the Desharnais line and throwing the Gomez line under the bus because that response is about as close as Martin gets to doing that.
Those adjustments Martin was talking about? I leave you to read into that what you will.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 10:09:19 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
It would embarrass both Gomez and Canadien's managment to do this, so I think DD will remain at #3. But he deserves to be the second line center.
If Jacques Martin and the Canadiens coaching staff felt moving Desharnais up to the second line would give them the best chance to win, that's where he'd be. They play to win the game in the NHL. The jobs of general managers and head coaches depend on winning unless they're in a rebuilding mode, which Montreal is not.
You can look at the stat sheet all you want but it doesn't tell you how many scoring chances the line Gomez is on had in a game, or how many scoring chances his line gave up. It doesn't tell you time of possession his line had in the offensive zone. Just because Gomez isn't picking up a lot of points doesn't mean he's not playing well. He's never been a big goal scorer outside of one season when he had 33, usually landing in the mid-teen range. But he usually had somewhere between 55-70 points. Sure, for $7 million a year you'd like to see more than 28 points at this stage of the season, but if the wingers he's with aren't goal-scorers, it's tough to get points.
The Canadiens have a collection of forwards that might score between 15-25 goals, but they don't have any real snipers so you're not going to see any of their forwards racking up big assist and point totals. Put Gomez with someone like Rick Nash, Jerome Iginla or Corey Perry and his numbers would be more in line with what they've been for most of his career. I'm not saying he's worth $7 million, but he's not playing as poorly as his numbers would indicate, either.
I really like Pacioretty with Desharnais. He goes hard to the net, is tough to knock off the puck, and finds a way to get open in the high traffic areas around the net which makes him the perfect linemate for Desharnais.
Worth noting is with seven seconds left in OT last night, the two men in the faceoff circle were both undrafted and had nothing handed to them as they worked their way up from the ECHL. Good stories.
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hrc666
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 03:10:15 AM
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Read the article.
Martin is letting Gomez know that he could be demoted.
Your assertion that Gomez is not playing deplorably is not shared by virtually all fans who post on the Hab's message boards. Nor anyone in the media. He's been awful of late and poor for almost all of the season.
In fact, the overwhelming consensus is that Gomez is bringing down his linemates-hence the notion of him being more effective with "better players" doesn't hold water with those who follow him closely.
Scott Gomez can't be faulted for the size of his contract. He never was a #1 center and he's being paid that type of money. Nonetheless, rookie DD is averaging.53 points per game (9 in 17) while Gomez-playing with better linemates and getting more ice time is averaging .52 points per game (28 in 54 games). Gomez is a team worst minus 15 while DD is even in that category. Desharnais is winning a higher percentage of face offs as well.
DD-especially in a salary cap era-has provided much more value to the Habs in his 17 games than Gomez has in those same 17.
Perhaps Gomez may wake up and play more to his potential. But, for the time being, it's very realistic to put DD up a notch on the depth chart at center for the Canadiens.
Pretty good for a guy who wasn't cut out for the AHL, eh?
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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dbc
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 08:33:36 AM
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And on to the example that shows what they are doing in Hamilton is top notch. The Bulldogs are first in their division in the American Hockey League despite the fact they have lost their top scorers, and it might just be that they don't get one of them back in David Desharnais. Many players with his size can't win puck battles, can't find room on the ice, can't see through big bodies, can't do the things that they did with ease with smaller men, but you can't say that about Desharnais.
He looks dangerous. He has great vision. He gets spotted in to use that vision on the powerplay. He is now earning penalties when at first the league officials kind of just shrugged their shoulders and thought that he fell down because he is small. Now they see he is falling down because the league's defenceman are finding him to be a handful. Desharnais just does not seem like a small player. His arrival and continued good play has made the Lapierre trade and departure not seem that vital in the end. There hasn't been a single moment that I have felt that the Habs have missed him. I just don't find myself saying "oh, if only they had Lapierre there". |
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