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fruitloop
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 Posted - 12/23/2008 : 2:00:10 PM
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| so how many more dayton games get added to the schedule because of this? |
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ChazyG
(The Next Level!)
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HOCKEYgod
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 2:42:48 PM
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I would think that this is going to cause the teams on the west coast more problems. With all the divisional games that are played in the E, the teams in the Falcons division are the ones that are going to have a few interesting schedule changes.
Ontario, Vegas, Stockton, and Bakersfield will have a few more games against one another I would think. It will be interesting to see what the league does about this... simply because if too many more teams are in trouble, it's going to raise travel cost even more... I wondered when the league absorbed the WCHL teams how it was going to be... I hope the last couple of weeks is not a sign of what will happen with the E. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 3:25:50 PM
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222 were counted one night at a Ducks game. Just calling the kettle black.
Wrong again, 'Diehard!
The Ducks were here for eight years and gave area hockey fans a chance to see some great young talent. It's unfortunate that some fans didn't take advantage of the opportunity to watch the AHL when it was here. But what's done is done and now is the time for hockey fans to support the team and league that is here now. There's not another team waiting in the wings if this one leaves.
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 3:40:32 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
The Ducks never had a turnstile count of under 1,200 for a regular season game. Never. They only had an average of four midweek games a season and usually were over 2,000 on those nights. Think what you want, hrc666, but you didn't have access to the actual turnstile counts and other legal documentation that had to be filed with Hamilton County and the city for tax purposes.
As for those tickets that had a $0.00 value listed on them, many of those were tickets that went to sponsors as part of their deals. The tickets were paid for as part of an overall package that included other things such as signage, radio spots, etc.
And at a quarter per announced admission (whatever the tax is) it's worth it to the team to juice counts for sponsorship purposes. If you're going to find anyone who was a regular at Duck's games would believe that the announced attendance was honest, then you'll have to do a lot of searching. Put me off your search list. I attended an average of 20 games/year during their 8 years and it was abundantly clear that announced attendance was significantly higher than actual. Always.
As for the sponsorship ($0.00) tix, that's standard. However, if a company pays $25k for a sponsorship and they receive 25,000 tickets in their deal, then the resultant 'attendance' based on these figures is farcical. If you want to play that game, go ahead. You only fool yourself.
For mytwocentsofwhatitsworth, the current Cyclones have been the only hockey team in the history of the city's professional hockey experience-except for the original Cyclones-who announce their attendance within a very small range of what the real number in the stands is. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 3:50:47 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
The Ducks were here for eight years and gave area hockey fans a chance to see some great young talent. It's unfortunate that some fans didn't take advantage of the opportunity to watch the AHL when it was here. But what's done is done and now is the time for hockey fans to support the team and league that is here now. There's not another team waiting in the wings if this one leaves.
The Ducks, despite their ordinary W/L records, did feature some outstanding talent. Their last season (04-05) was quasi-NHL quality due to the NHL lockout and something on the order of half of that roster are now regulars in the NHL. And, if memory serves me correctly, tickets were as cheap as $10. Interestingly, for the WHA Stingers last season, I paid $3.14 per ticket (half season ticket package) for seats 10 rows behind the net. Long time Cincinnatians have always had incredibly inexpensive access to top quality hockey.
And, you're right. Should the Cyclones fail to survive with a $10 ticket price, it is almost inconceivable that anyone would be foolish enough to give the Cincinnati market another try.
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Cyclonesdiehard
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 3:53:41 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by Cyclonesdiehard
222 were counted one night at a Ducks game. Just calling the kettle black.
Wrong again, 'Diehard!
The Ducks were here for eight years and gave area hockey fans a chance to see some great young talent. It's unfortunate that some fans didn't take advantage of the opportunity to watch the AHL when it was here. But what's done is done and now is the time for hockey fans to support the team and league that is here now. There's not another team waiting in the wings if this one leaves.
I am not going to get in a pissing contest with you. I know that is what gets you off. I was at the game against the Milwaukee Admirals it was a Wednesday night, and there were 222 people in the stands. At my job do crowd control, and counting crowds is part of what I do. Drop the subject. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 4:12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Cyclonesdiehard
I was at the game against the Milwaukee Admirals it was a Wednesday night, and there were 222 people in the stands. At my job do crowd control, and counting crowds is part of what I do. Drop the subject.
Milwaukee never played a Wednesday night game against the Ducks in Cincinnati. Perhaps it was a Wednesday night game against the Cyclones when Milwaukee was in the IHL that you're thinking about.
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Originally posted by Cyclonesdiehard
At my job do crowd control, and counting crowds is part of what I do.
Nice grammar! Since you can't write it begs the question about your ability to count.
I still have that letter you sent to the Gardens after the RailRaiders campaign ended. You referred to the ticket campaign coming up short as "Christmas, New Year's and Fourth of July all rolled into one." You can deny you sent the letter if you want, but it came from you. You're the only one stupid enough to put the tagline on all your message board posts in an annonymous letter.
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HOCKEYgod
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 4:26:49 PM
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@DonnieHockey & CyclonesDieHard- JUST FREAKING LET IT GO!!! It sucks that the Railraiders failed to get their goal because it means no AHL (which is better hockey than the ECHL) in this city. The HOCKEY WAR as it was dubbed is over- and NEITHER TEAM WON! The Cyclones exist because of the purchase of another teams failure!
A number of Cyclones fans were RUDE to DH when he made trips to USBA and as we all bitch about attendance, there are still members of this message board and others that attend Cyclones games are plain RUDE to people who had anything to do with the DUCKS or the GARDENS.
I still wear my ducks pin on my cap at every Cyclones home game that I attend and I used to wear my clones pins on my ducks cap as well. At this point there is nothing better than letting it go...
To both of you- I was at a ducks game when we got between 7-9 inches of snow... there were very few people there but the people that were in attendance were offered free tickets to the next Ducks home game...which was later that week. There may have been a couple hundred people there that night.... but it doesn't matter now does it?
The Cyclones are here- and we have the ECHL in our town... Either support it, or don't but for those of you in attendance- TREAT PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE GAMES WITH RESPECT! I'm not calling anyone out by name- but I know that when someone noticed my ducks pin at one of the games, I had a beer thrown at me and was told to go back to the Gardens and I was supporting HOCKEY in a city that is lucky to even have a team at times. :(
This CRAP needs to end before we have another GAP in HOCKEY between the Cyclones and whatever the next team is that comes to town. If we want to keep hockey in Cincinnati, we have to support our team and support each other through the process. |
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Donnie Hockey
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USA
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 4:35:07 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
For mytwocentsofwhatitsworth, the current Cyclones have been the only hockey team in the history of the city's professional hockey experience-except for the original Cyclones-who announce their attendance within a very small range of what the real number in the stands is.
When you look at what the Swords announced and compared it to the box office statements, they were very honest with their attendance. The WHA Stingers, CHL Stingers and CHL Tigers were fairly honest, too. It was different back then. Teams didn't have advertisers around the boards they had made attendance promises to when making the deal.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 6:47:44 PM
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somebeach
(Loves To Post!)
USA
1224 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2008 : 8:20:48 PM
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http://www.koat.com/news/18332675/detail.html
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/25/2008 : 04:11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
It was different back then. Teams didn't have advertisers around the boards they had made attendance promises to when making the deal.
That would be in accord with my assumption of "juicing" due to sponsorhip.
The only other economic reason for exagerrating attendance that I can see is that some portion of the public is more likely to attend an event that they perceive as popular. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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