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CincinnatiFan
(The Next Level!)
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 Posted - 01/23/2009 : 10:28:29 PM
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Is anyone else mystified that tonight's attendance was announced as only 5174? I predicted 6300 and really thought I was being too conservative.
Great game tonight. Hopefully more of the same on Saturday. |
Get Clones instead of Clunkers.
Cincinnati Cyclones
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 10:45:50 PM
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I think 5174 sounds pretty good. As we all know by now,most of the
high "western" team attendance figures you can take with a grain of
salt.The bottom bowl was 75% full,so I'll buy it. If we can just keep
getting no less than 1500 during the week and no less than 3000 on the
weekends,we will be stable. Another great game where Dayton goalie
#1 gave up 5 and #2 gave up 2 more.The pink was a third the darkness
of last year and looked much better. Uniforms also looked great. I
guess tomorrow we will be in red. |
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cove291
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 10:59:04 PM
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| I think attendance will be just as good if not better tomorrow even though the Obama bobblehead.....lots of boos when they announced that tonight. What a waste of a bobblehead...should of done a Cedric!! |
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1-19-09 The begining of the biggest mistake in history! |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 11:39:11 PM
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Why should western teams' attendance be taken with a grain of salt? How in the world did you come up with that?
It's amazing how attendance is a constant topic of conversation on Cincinnati hockey message boards. Everybody seems to be an expert on how many people are actually at games, and what numbers make the team stable, viable, or profitable. I question how any Joe Fan has this knowledge, and why it needs to be continually discussed. It is what it is.
So anyway, how about that Ryan Nie? And why was he only credited with 59:37 in the net? Not like they pulled him at the end of the game for an extra attacker. |
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Randy
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 11:41:07 PM
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Originally posted by Hockey Traveller
And why was he only credited with 59:37 in the net? Not like they pulled him at the end of the game for an extra attacker.
Because during the first period he did go on the bench for a extra attacker. |
Cyclones Fan, Win or Lose
Bengals Fan - Never! |
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XcloneiacX
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 11:43:00 PM
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You would've had 2 more but my boss doesn't understand the meaning of overstaffed.
Can't make it tomorrow either, unfortunately. |
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cyclonehole
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 11:50:50 PM
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| Hated to miss it, definitely hope for more of the same tomorrow night. |
Edited by - cyclonehole on 01/23/2009 11:51:36 PM |
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CycloneRyderfan73
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 01/24/2009 : 12:07:43 AM
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Right now we have an increase in attendance over last year at this time, so I think we're doing pretty good.
The game was great. We made Dayton pay for all their stupid penalties just like we did Wheeling in the game last week. If we keep getting consistent scoring on the pp things will continue rolling like they are now. The pk was also 9-9 tonight which obviously is very important. If the special teams continiue getting better I see no reason why we can't be in first place in a few weeks. The team has really grown and jelled together after 3 long months. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 01/24/2009 : 12:37:26 AM
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Originally posted by Hockey Traveller
It's amazing how attendance is a constant topic of conversation on Cincinnati hockey message boards. Everybody seems to be an expert on how many people are actually at games, and what numbers make the team stable, viable, or profitable. I question how any Joe Fan has this knowledge, and why it needs to be continually discussed. It is what it is.
Ye Traveller, all of 18 posts, mysteriously arrivng at sec60.com. Whatever.
Attendance is an interesting topic to many. That's why. "Joe Fan" may not be privvy to the exact number of tickets sold, but he can make reasonable estimates to what the attendance at a game is. The USBA lower bowl seats 6995, so it's not too difficult for those who can visusalize well, to closely estimate what the real attendance is. Just butts in the seats. I, like your average "Joe Fan", have no inside info to comp numbers, but for your benefit, I estimate that the Clones probably average about 200-250 or so comps per game (player/staff/sponsors/media/charity tickets). And I'd project the use rate of the comps at significantly less than 50%.
One can go to Dayton for years and know that the Nutter Center seats 10,000 (just a few under that actually) and know that the crowds are almost always exagerrated. Significantly. Just like the Robinson crew 'juiced' their attendance nightly. I remember just howling with laughter over an announced 6500 crowd at the Gardens one night. I didn't know that I was sitting in a 16,000 seat venue based on the proportion of seats filled.
I thought that tonite's crowd was 5500, perhaps even a few hundred higher. A good crowd. Hopefully tommorrow's will blow this one away.
For our new friend the traveler, I keep a running tab on attendance estimates (mine) and the announced crowd. For the season the Cyclones are only 3% higher than my estimates (have missed 2 games) and in the 6 games at Dayton, the average 'juice' has been 59%. Note: I always tend to be conservative on my Cyclone estimates and generous on my Dayton estimates.
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
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Posted - 01/24/2009 : 07:05:46 AM
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Here is the hard facts from ECHL.com:
Wheeling 22games.. 2,634 average
Cincinnati 21games...2,629 average
A good crowd tonight and we move up one more notch.Just like the standings,
we take them one game at a time.The question why attendance is so important-
low numbers and we go BYE-BYE ! I personally saw a Las Vegas game announced
at 3,400 and they must have counted the people in the casino because my count
would be 1,800 tops. "SMACK" That was the sound of that same poor dead horse
being smacked again.5174 looked legit to me last night.
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JK_112880
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/24/2009 : 10:31:58 AM
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| I think everyone understands the importance of the attendance figures at these games. I think the point Hockey Traveller was trying to make is how does anyone on this board know the exact figures (attendance, concession/merchandise sales, sponsorships, etc.) that ends up netting the franchise a profit/loss at the end of the day? A lot of figures get thrown out around here, but in the end, none of us on this board knows exactly what the team's finances look like. Obviously, any bump in attendance will only help. But within the scope of this website, none of us on here know the nuts and bolts of what contributes to the Cyclones' financial success (or lack thereof). |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
2224 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2009 : 10:50:36 AM
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Heckler-don't you mean Plante got pulled after the 5th goal.I never saw stats
keeping track of goalies leaving the ice for upcoming penalties on the other
team. As far as I know, only when a goalie is pulled when their goal can still
be scored on counts for freezing the clock on their playing time for the night.
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Hakeedude
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 01/24/2009 : 12:53:28 PM
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Originally posted by bags
Heckler-don't you mean Plante got pulled after the 5th goal.I never saw stats
keeping track of goalies leaving the ice for upcoming penalties on the other
team. As far as I know, only when a goalie is pulled when their goal can still
be scored on counts for freezing the clock on their playing time for the night.
My aging brain seems to recall an incident when we pulled our goalie for a delayed penalty and ended up accidentally shooting the goal in our own net. Point for the other team... |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
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Posted - 01/24/2009 : 4:20:07 PM
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Hakeedude you are right.My memory was Jeff Greenlaw made a pass back to the blue
line and it was missed.The puck went the length of the ice into our empty goal
while we were empty net waiting on the upcoming penalty.After the goal we did get
the power play,but the damage was done.I believe they gave the goal to the player
closest to the goal(even though he never touched it). |
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Buckeye011
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 01/24/2009 : 4:39:44 PM
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"Why should western teams' attendance be taken with a grain of salt? How in the world did you come up with that?" -Hockey Traveller
Yeah, um, why do you always have to question someones opinion? Its an opinion for a reason. Oh, forgot, your NEW here....never posted on this site before, never questioned others on their hockey expertise? My bad... lol
My God....I swear, I get entertainment from people that contradict their own words with critizism of others. Proposing a topic, such as the attendance, is a part of talking HOCKEY. I'm gonna have a drink for you tonight dude. Your in my prayers.
Oh, and I'm blunt and wont hide my words from losers like yourself. I dont hide behind my computer like you will. |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/24/2009 : 6:24:31 PM
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Originally posted by Buckeye011
"Why should western teams' attendance be taken with a grain of salt? How in the world did you come up with that?" -Hockey Traveller
Yeah, um, why do you always have to question someones opinion? Its an opinion for a reason. Oh, forgot, your NEW here....never posted on this site before, never questioned others on their hockey expertise? My bad... lol
My God....I swear, I get entertainment from people that contradict their own words with critizism of others. Proposing a topic, such as the attendance, is a part of talking HOCKEY. I'm gonna have a drink for you tonight dude. Your in my prayers.
Oh, and I'm blunt and wont hide my words from losers like yourself. I dont hide behind my computer like you will.
I'm not blunt? I hide my words? Aren't you also sitting at a computer when you make your posts? What do you mean "hiding behind a computer"? I don't know you and you don't know me, so I'm just doing the same thing as you, sitting at a computer and posting messages on a message board.
Isn't questioning someone's opinions also part of talking hockey and talking on message boards? Why do you and hrc have to take the low road and start calling names, especially of people you don't know? Last time I checked, Cincy Sports wasn't around any more, so I'm guessing I can freely discuss things here and ask questions of people if I choose to do so. If they have a problem with it, I'm sure they know where the reply button is, and don't have to have you two come to their defense.
Say a prayer for yourself while your at it...don't worry about the splinter in your neighbor's eye until you remove the log from your own.
And the reason I question opinions is because some of them don't seem too informed. How can someone insinuate that western teams are padding their numbers if they don't regularly attend those games? I MIGHT be inclined to listen to someone's opinion like hrc, who is so infatuated with attendance numbers that he keeps a notebook of every game he attends, and matches his guess against the announced number, simply because he at least attends these games, and sees the actual crowd. Whether or not he's good at counting crowds is a different discussion, but he's not blindly questioning attendance at games and buildings he doesn't attend. |
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