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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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 Posted - 12/28/2010 : 6:17:41 PM
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How weak is our division? Through last night the Atlantic and Southern Divisions had a combined record against the four Northern Division teams of 35-11-6 for a .731 point percentage (.703 for Atlantic and .760 for Southern) Only Greenville in the entire league has a higher point percentage.
The Northern Division in turn has a combined record against the other two divisions of 17-29-6 or a .385 point percentage (.463 against Atlantic and .300 against the Southern) and only Ontario out west has a lower individual team percentage.
We only play one more game against the Atlantic all year ( Reading at home) but have 17 games left against the Southern ( 7 home and 10 away). We must start winning in regulation against our own division and hopefully that trend will start tonight against Toledo. |
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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 12/28/2010 : 10:34:09 PM
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Yes, we must. No, it isn't going to happen.
What an absolutely pathetic performance tonight. I was wrong on a previous post when I said this was a mediocre team in a weak division. Its a bad team in a weak division. Ownership is going to have to make some hard decisions at the end of this season... |
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 12/28/2010 : 10:47:08 PM
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I am lost right now. Nashville needs to do something with Pickard before he costs us every time he is in net. Granted tonight's first goal was weird but everytime he is in net you fear how many goals he will give up. Cheverie has done a good job as a rookie, but the kid cant go in every night, and as a rookie he will make mistakes as well.
I hope Skalde can come up with something before everything that Chuck and Dean did to gain fans in this town will come undone very quickly. Speaking of fans the only good thing about this game was the good turn out, granted its the holidays but 6,000+ is nice to see anytime. |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 12/28/2010 : 11:12:34 PM
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I didn't think Chet played poorly. Actually, he kept us in the game late when Toledo was standing in front of the goal hammering us when they were short handed (I counted 3 good scoring chances in about 10 seconds).
The officiating tonight was awful, but it was awful as a whole. There were a couple of blatant 'clones penalties that didn't get called (Minella managed a hook/hold/elbow combination move that didn't get called... Never seen that before), and the waived off goal was AWFUL, but honestly thats not why we lost.
We lost because we can't generate scoring chances and finish them. We also keep making mistakes defensively, and have all year.
We also just stink on the power play and PK.
I'm just not having any fun watching this team play. Not because I'm spoiled (I admittedly am) but because its frustrating watching a talented team not generate results over and over again. I'm REALLY glad we didn't spring for the full season ticket package at this point.
I honestly thought the issues we had early in the year would be long forgotten by now. They aren't.
I keep saying it, this team SHOULD be dominating this division.
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/28/2010 : 11:15:20 PM
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Oh... Don't get too excited about the Tuesday crowd.
It had nothing to do with hockey and everything to do with free food. 70% of the bodies in our section were kids not paying attention to the game.
Nevertheless, it was a good gate for a Tuesday.
Sorry... Reality can be a bitch.
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Edited by - Catch22 on 12/28/2010 11:16:37 PM |
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wheres dale degray
(Finally Got A Star!)
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Posted - 12/28/2010 : 11:37:10 PM
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I have absolutely no confidence in Skalde. The team is clearly not buying into his system and style at all. How can you have almost half of your roster from a championship team back and be this pathetic? There is clearly enough talent on this team to be successful, especially in this division. I can not tell you anything that this team does well. PP under 13% and PK under 75% is inexcusable. There has been no improvement since opening night.
I am all for a coaching change at this point. Problem is that it's pretty hard to hire someone at this time of year. There's going to have to be some serious improvement between now and the end of the year. If not, the head coaching search needs to start the day after the end of the season. |
Edited by - wheres dale degray on 12/28/2010 11:40:03 PM |
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hrc666
(Loves To Post!)
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 03:20:41 AM
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Originally posted by Catch22
Oh... Don't get too excited about the Tuesday crowd.
It had nothing to do with hockey and everything to do with free food. 70% of the bodies in our section were kids not paying attention to the game.
Nevertheless, it was a good gate for a Tuesday.
Sorry... Reality can be a bitch.
I'm not trying to create a stir, but a Cincinnati minor hockey crowd of 6200+ on a Tuesday IS something to be excited about.
For those of us who have watched numerous Cincinnati hockey franchises perish, it's gratifying to see a Tuesday night crowd which was almost 2000 larger than any crowd during the team's first season back (06-07).
The Cyclones have 21 home dates remaining of which 12 will be Friday or Saturday evenings. The team should be able to top the 4,000 average attendance mark this season which is a semi-miracle given where this franchise was just 4 seasons ago.
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"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
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bhf303
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 03:23:05 AM
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I just realized that i am a horrible, fair weather fan! I never thought I was, but i am. My wife and I have season tickets, for the second year, full season mind you, and we opted for a movie tonight.
I figured they would lose tonight and like you Catch22, I am getting bored right now. Very little to no excitement in the games. Its always the same thing, two goals if they're lucky and no life!
I will get tickets again next year I'm sure, but DAMN, make some changes somebody! At least pretend to care!
Did I expect a championship this year, no, I didn't, but I did expect some consistent good hockey!
Go ahead, bash me, I deserve it! I cant hep it! Sorry, i just needed to vent a little.
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fangers
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 07:21:36 AM
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Reggie Dunlop
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 11:01:33 AM
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Same results/fan issues that he had in his previous coaching gig..and people are surprised the same thing happening here? Some of us thought this was a bad hire from day 1 and got blasted for it on here...
Agreed. When you hire a sub .500 coach, you should expect a sub .500 result. It looks like Skalde is going to deliver on that equation.
I sit behind the benches and he doesn't even look engaged in the game. His players stare blankly when he speaks. Furthermore, he never works the officials. He just stands there and takes it. I'm not one for constant tirades, but there is a time and a place to stand up for your players and your team. |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 11:03:25 AM
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You always have to give a new coach a chance. Remember that Belichik was a complete failure as a head coach before New England.
That said... We have nearly the same team that won the cup last year and far FEWER call ups and more personnel stability than we've had since this new version of the Cyclones started and WE SUCK.
You have to hold someone accountable for that, and the only person that is reasonable is the head coach.
Just sayin'.
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 2:01:00 PM
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Way too early to pass judgement on Skalde. Why? Here's a few things:
1) After a 1-9 start (SO/OT losses counted as losses) the Cyclones are 10-10. They had one streak where they went 6-0-4 and now they're on a 3-6-1 run. A team which has already (in its first 20 games, mind you) had a 10 game streak in which they didn't lose a game in regulation is not a bad team nor is it poorly coached. Sorry, naysayers.
2) The Cyclones putrid start was a result of pathetic goaltending. That is not a coaching issue as the goalies have since been good (Cheverie) or serviceable (Pickard). Given their 1-9 goalie-induced start and the fact that the season didn't go down the drain is a credit to Coach Skalde.
3) The leading goal scorer has a paltry 8 goals (that projects to less than 20 for the season). That's not the coach's fault given the roster. The fact that Scott Reynolds is the leading goal scorer is frightening.
4) The PK has been fairly standard (80 some odd %) since its horrid beginning (17 goals allowed in the first 8 games). So, no coaching issue here.
5) Robinson's injury hasn't helped the team's play of late and having had to suit up the uber useless DeLory has been a burden.
6) Having all these players back from last season isn't necessarily good nor Skalde's choice. I'm grateful for last season's Championship, but also recognize that the 09-10 squad was very fortunate to win it all as it wasn't all that talented and could certainly not have been realistically viewed as likely to repeat.
I will fault Skalde on one thing. Eghoetz, Aubin and Reynolds as a number one power play line has been a disaster. Not one of these three players is an ideal power play player. Skalde needs to permanently shelve this line as a pp unit. It has been and will always be horrible.
The Cyclones are going through a lull right now (3-6-1). That's normal for an average team. And that's what they are-completely independent of coaching. The good news for this team is that the scoring is very balanced and has the potential to increase fairly dramatically (at least imo)and the goaltending is more than adequate.
It's way too early to give up on this team or crucify the coach. Plus, any coach that obtains Benn Olson gets special marks from this fan.
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"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
865 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2010 : 4:28:01 PM
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Sorry HRC--to me it is the coach and his system. There is no spark and no intensity. Last night was like watching a pre season scrimmage.
. Please name me one change he has made to the system since day one?? Offensively we can't get near the net. In the offensive zone we spend out time along the boards generating no shots and along the blue line where most of our shots are blocked . Seven shots on goal in two periods last night at home against Toledo!!!--only one while at full strength!!
Saw something different last night for two periods on the PK though. We were being aggressive and coming out to them not letting them get set and killed them nicely. Then with less than 10 minutes left we go into the shell again and pack it all in. Their point man got a clearing pass and Roeder just backed in and backed in while the guy walked in to the the top of the circle and let one go for the second goal.
Anyone notice we are 8th in the conference in points and all three teams behind us have games in hand. I am a fan and a season ticket holder but this team will not make the playoffs |
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poff34
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 5:25:45 PM
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Agreed! There is too much talent on this team for him to do nothing with. The guys on the team, we all know can play and score goals. Whatever his resoning is behind the 15 passes before 1 shot is stupid. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE REASONING BEHIND 10 shots in a period in a half when we started the game with 3 quick shots. It was like we had taken too many shots in the early going then he felt bad and told the guys to just start passing and give them the puck. Our puck handleing and passing is HORRIBLE. SKALDE needs to go and take the pathetic goalie assistant coach with him!
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Originally posted by dbc
Sorry HRC--to me it is the coach and his system. There is no spark and no intensity. Last night was like watching a pre season scrimmage.
. Please name me one change he has made to the system since day one?? Offensively we can't get near the net. In the offensive zone we spend out time along the boards generating no shots and along the blue line where most of our shots are blocked . Seven shots on goal in two periods last night at home against Toledo!!!--only one while at full strength!!
Saw something different last night for two periods on the PK though. We were being aggressive and coming out to them not letting them get set and killed them nicely. Then with less than 10 minutes left we go into the shell again and pack it all in. Their point man got a clearing pass and Roeder just backed in and backed in while the guy walked in to the the top of the circle and let one go for the second goal.
Anyone notice we are 8th in the conference in points and all three teams behind us have games in hand. I am a fan and a season ticket holder but this team will not make the playoffs
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 7:14:05 PM
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I'll disagree with calling people pathetic and such. That's uncalled for.
But something does need to change. We KNOW this core group of players can score more than they are scoring and can play solid defense. So something is very wrong.
The coach came in late and likely doesn't have the type of players he wants for his system and style of play. Well... Too bad. Be a good coach and adjust.
If what you are doing isn't working, you MUST change it. And what Skalde is doing isn't working. He changed up lines last night and it STILL didn't work. If anything it was worse.
And that's because switching up line mates is not the key. I'm kind of disappointed that Skalde can't see that.
Honestly guys, Toledo is not very good and their roster looks like a patchwork while ours is solid and consistent. We have the talent to KILL those guys. McCollum was their best player last night by a hundred miles and we barely even tested him.
I think he was bored.
I'm not joking.
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 7:43:17 PM
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A quick peak at the stats shows we had 5 guys score 50+ regular season points last year. 4 of those guys are still on the team, and none of them are reasonably on track to put up 50. If we are lucky, after factoring in injuries and call-ups we might have one or two of them explode and post 50.
Maybe.
But I wouldn't bet on it.
I keep hearing people blame it on the goalies, mostly Chet. And much of that criticism is fair. But the goalies don't score, and we aren't scoring.
Last years team wasn't a high scoring squad and was never built to be that. What they were was defensively sound and opportunistic. This year's team (again, mostly the same guys) is neither.
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Edited by - Catch22 on 12/29/2010 7:45:52 PM |
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