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Donnie Hockey
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fangers
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 Posted - 01/23/2011 : 10:52:01 AM
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| Have to wonder if they were even listed in the 100 names people were given the option to chose from... |
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JK_112880
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 11:03:55 AM
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| I guess there's no reason to go on living now.. My life is completely shattered since I found this out. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 11:15:19 AM
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Originally posted by fangers
Have to wonder if they were even listed in the 100 names people were given the option to chose from...
If they were considered relevant in Cincinnati they would have been on the list. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 01/23/2011 11:21:24 AM |
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fangers
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 11:32:51 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by fangers
Have to wonder if they were even listed in the 100 names people were given the option to chose from...
If they were considered relevant in Cincinnati they would have been on the list.
I see it more of an issue of hockey in general in this area, it being a minor league sport second, since the Ducks weren't on the list while thye were here (and they had the ties to Disney) |
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dbc
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 11:47:03 AM
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| If you ask 100 local residents what the Cincinnati Cyclone brand is you will get a relatively small percent that knows. The point is that that percent grows each year and is enough to maintain a minor league franchise and shows great loyalty to the team. I really don't care if some housewife in Batavia or locksmith in Harrison knows. As long as the number of people who do know care enough to provide an average of 3500-4000 fans per night. The Reds and Bengals have a high recognition but judging from their attendance not a relatively high degree of fan support. The Reds are always low in MLB attendance and the Bengals couldn't sell out some of their home games when most of the seats were already sold to season ticket holders. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 11:49:47 AM
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Originally posted by fangers
I see it more of an issue of hockey in general in this area, it being a minor league sport second, since the Ducks weren't on the list while thye were here (and they had the ties to Disney)
So what you're saying is the Cyclones are irrelevant in Cincinnati.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 12:05:07 PM
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If you ask 100 local residents what the Cincinnati Cyclone brand is you will get a relatively small percent that knows. The point is that that percent grows each year and is enough to maintain a minor league franchise and shows great loyalty to the team. I really don't care if some housewife in Batavia or locksmith in Harrison knows. As long as the number of people who do know care enough to provide an average of 3500-4000 fans per night. The Reds and Bengals have a high recognition but judging from their attendance not a relatively high degree of fan support. The Reds are always low in MLB attendance and the Bengals couldn't sell out some of their home games when most of the seats were already sold to season ticket holders.
How many consecutive sellouts did the Bengals have before the last three homes games of the 2010 season? They have a high degree of fan support. More than 90 percent of the home games in the 43-year history of the franchise have been sellouts. Not bad for a product that has produced just two winning seasons over the past 20 years. |
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fangers
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 12:18:40 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by fangers
I see it more of an issue of hockey in general in this area, it being a minor league sport second, since the Ducks weren't on the list while thye were here (and they had the ties to Disney)
So what you're saying is the Cyclones are irrelevant in Cincinnati.
Don't put words in my mouth Don, you know exactly what I meant, and it's not news to any Cincinnati minor league hockey fan. Hockey simply doesn't have that high of appeal here compared to other sports, and with it being "minr league" there are whole legions of people in this area who won't give it the time of day because it's not a "major legaue" team.
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dbc
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 12:56:58 PM
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| Yes--the Cyclones are irrelevant to Cincinnati in the same way the Ducks were. If they folded like the Ducks did, there would be no effect on the TOTAL community like there would be if the Reds or Bengals moved. They are a minor league hockey team in a major league town. But so what? Somehow you equate that with negating the importance and relevancy they have to the steadily growing base of loyal fans who have allowed the team to show strong attendance gains for the last three year and won two Kelly Cups. Do you think the Ducks folding was not a relevant event for their fan base?? |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 1:11:59 PM
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Originally posted by fangers
Hockey simply doesn't have that high of appeal here compared to other sports, and with it being "minr league" there are whole legions of people in this area who won't give it the time of day because it's not a "major legaue" team.
Most of the people that go to Reds games go because it's a night (or day) of entertainment with family and friends, not because it's Major League Baseball.
Most of the people that won't give the Cyclones the time of day wouldn't list minor league hockey as the reason they don't go. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 1:19:14 PM
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Originally posted by dbc
Yes--the Cyclones are irrelevant to Cincinnati in the same way the Ducks were. If they folded like the Ducks did, there would be no effect on the TOTAL community like there would be if the Reds or Bengals moved. They are a minor league hockey team in a major league town. But so what? Somehow you equate that with negating the importance and relevancy they have to the steadily growing base of loyal fans who have allowed the team to show strong attendance gains for the last three year and won two Kelly Cups. Do you think the Ducks folding was not a relevant event for their fan base??
As usual, Cyclones fans have to incorporate the Ducks into their arguemnts. :)
If you're going to bring up the Ducks, you've got to mention the IHL Cyclones, who were one of the teams responsible for the IHL folding after the 2000-01 season, and the current ECHL Cyclones who suspended operations after the 2003-04 season due to lack of fan support.
The Ducks issue wasn't lack of fan support but rather the lack of an available NHL affiliate after the 2004-05 season. That situation would make for a good case study on what happens when one is reactive instead of proactive. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 01/23/2011 1:26:08 PM |
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dbc
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 1:36:50 PM
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No--once again you misunderstand my point. I am agreeing with your original post that if they were relevant they would have been on the list.
The Cyclones ARE irrelevant to Cincinnati as a whole in the same way the Ducks were, the IHL Cyclones were, and the original Cyclones were. Folding had no economic or cultural impact as would the Reds or Bengals.
That being said, my point has been that it does not diminish the relevancy such foldings have on their niche fan base. I used the Ducks as an example because I thought you would relate to the relevancy their demise had on their fan base and hockey in general in Cincinnati. I was not out to slam the Ducks. Didn't live here then and never went to a game. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 1:57:22 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
The Ducks issue wasn't lack of fan support but rather the lack of an available NHL affiliate after the 2004-05 season. That situation would make for a good case study on what happens when one is reactive instead of proactive.
Keep pushing this garbage if you must. It's a lie. We know it. You know it. Gotta get honest with yourself someday. lol. Gotta stop living in the past as well.
The Ducks had about 1000 at their final game-when everyone knew it stood a very good chance at being their final game. Ever. Nobody cared. Really, almost nobody (less than 1000) cared.
The Ducks may have averaged 2500 their final season-of which maybe 2000 were paid (probably far less). Nobody cared. Even though it was NHL "lock out" year and the quality of hockey was quasi-NHL. Even with this incredible selling point, the Ducks management failed in getting enough to care. (I guess when all your marketing is geared to 8 year olds, this happens. lol.) Stupid is as stupid does. But that's another issue. lol.
The New Ducks (Railraiders) were stillborn. Nobody cared.
While the Cyclones may not be a top brand in Cincinnati at least they are a viable one. Because enough people care. On nights when it matters (last night-6000), they might be a top 25 Cincinnati brand. On nights when it doesn't matter (when they don't play), who cares.
The Ducks weren't viable. Because not enough cared. The management of the Ducks couldn't keep up with the changing environment in minor league hockey. They failed. And failed badly. They weren't even close to being viable.
And still nobody cared (did I mention that?).
NOTE: The Cyclones are roughly a $2 million per year company (in terms of sales). The Reds and Bengals are $150m plus.
The Cyclones may be the most well known $2 million business in the area.
NOTE 2: @Jevers. If you can't see that this tread is simply dhockey trolling......... *hits head with hand*
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 3:06:24 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
The Ducks had about 1000 at their final game-when everyone knew it stood a very good chance at being their final game. Ever. Nobody cared. Really, almost nobody (less than 1000) cared.
The Ducks may have averaged 2500 their final season-of which maybe 2000 were paid (probably far less). Nobody cared. Even though it was NHL "lock out" year and the quality of hockey was quasi-NHL. Even with this incredible selling point, the Ducks management failed in getting enough to care. (I guess when all your marketing is geared to 8 year olds, this happens. lol.) Stupid is as stupid does. But that's another issue. lol.
The New Ducks (Railraiders) were stillborn. Nobody cared.
While the Cyclones may not be a top brand in Cincinnati at least they are a viable one. Because enough people care. On nights when it matters (last night-6000), they might be a top 25 Cincinnati brand. On nights when it doesn't matter (when they don't play), who cares.
The Ducks weren't viable. Because not enough cared. The management of the Ducks couldn't keep up with the changing environment in minor league hockey. They failed. And failed badly. They weren't even close to being viable.
And still nobody cared (did I mention that?).
NOTE: The Cyclones are roughly a $2 million per year company (in terms of sales). The Reds and Bengals are $150m plus.
The Cyclones may be the most well known $2 million business in the area.
Did I mention that I don't care what you think about the Ducks, their management and I? I think so. Multiple times.
You're preaching to yourself with your Ducks rants because nobody else cares, either. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 3:18:40 PM
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Originally posted by dbc
No--once again you misunderstand my point. I am agreeing with your original post that if they were relevant they would have been on the list.
The Cyclones ARE irrelevant to Cincinnati as a whole in the same way the Ducks were, the IHL Cyclones were, and the original Cyclones were. Folding had no economic or cultural impact as would the Reds or Bengals.
That being said, my point has been that it does not diminish the relevancy such foldings have on their niche fan base. I used the Ducks as an example because I thought you would relate to the relevancy their demise had on their fan base and hockey in general in Cincinnati. I was not out to slam the Ducks. Didn't live here then and never went to a game.
Sorry about that. |
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