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Donnie Hockey
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 Posted - 11/28/2009 : 5:27:58 PM
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List of players who have worn all sweater numbers in Mont. history.http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/MTL/numbers.html
Thanks for the link. I enjoyed looking at all the names that have had the privilege of wearing a Canadiens sweater over the past 101 years. Guy Lapointe, Larry Robinson and Serge Savard ... what a big three that was in the 70's on the Montreal blueline. |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 11/29/2009 : 12:41:20 AM
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Very good and accurate analysis of "career minor leaguer", bags.
The Biggs analogy was so rife with logical and situational flaws that I didn't feel like spending the 15 minutes necessary to blow it apart.
The Schlockey Babbler's logic is, well, illogical.
In other words, you thought about it for 15 minutes and the best thing you could come up with was Schlockey Babbler.
But you are right. My analogy doesn't fit here. Biggs was actually drafted by an NHL team. He never played below the triple-A level in his pro career. It only took him 11 minor league games (6 regular season, 5 playoff games) to earn his first cup of coffee with the Minnesota North Stars at age 19. He was actually considered a prospect.
What was I thinking, comparing Biggs to a non-drafted, non-prospect, spare part like Desharnais? But keep the faith. At 23, if everything goes right, in a couple of years Desharnais has a real chance of being 25. |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 11/29/2009 : 01:03:24 AM
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Minor league games = 164
NHL games = 1
Are you kidding with that one! David has only started his career,not
on the last leg. If he was 34 and that was his playing stats you can
call him a "career minor leaguer"! I will agree that the pattern of
the NHL is anyone spending more than two seasons in the minors seems
to have only a 20% chance of a long NHL career. If David spends more
than half the year of 2011-12 in the minors, you can start to think
career minor leaguer.
No I'm not kidding. I'm really thinking career minor leaguer right now, at this point in time. He wasn't drafted by any NHL team, and there weren't any NHL teams beating down the door to sign him after his big season with the Cyclones. Montreal didn't sign him as a prospect. They signed him to play at Hamilton. It took 8 injuries for Montreal to finally call him up, and he was the first one sent back down as soon as the Habs got someone back healthy. If hrc's buddies in Montreal are accurate in their assessment of Desharnais' line being the worst line in the NHL, what does it say about Desharnais that Wyman and Chipchura are still in Montreal?
It's good that the kid got a taste of the NHL, and with the greatest franchise in NHL history no less. But I really doubt he is in their future plans. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 11/29/2009 : 03:10:22 AM
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If hrc's buddies in Montreal are accurate in their assessment of Desharnais' line being the worst line in the NHL, what does it say about Desharnais that Wyman and Chipchura are still in Montreal?
The worst was referring to Wyman and Chipchura. That was obvious from my post. You either choose to misinterpret it or suffer from logical failings.
The rest of your reasoning is weak. Non-drafted players litter the NHL landscape.
Washouts like Chipchura are only on the roster due to past 1st round draft status. Remember Smirnov from the Ducks? That clown should never have seen action in one AHL game let alone the NHL. The fact that he was drafted high (8th overall?) kept him around.
Desharnais will be given a prolonged look at the NHL. Probably by Montreal, but if not the Habs, then someone else. He was undrafted only due to his lack of size. His performance in the AHL has proven the scouts very wrong already. His career progression will not be in any manner deterred by his undrafted status. That is only relevant to you and others whose idiotic evaluations of Desharnais last season only serve to underscore your lack of knowledge of hockey.
Feel free to continue embarrassing yourself. I find it most amusing.
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 11/29/2009 : 09:39:30 AM
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So what hrc666 is saying is contract status beats the opportunity to win which is why Chipchura is playing in the NHL and Desharnais is not, especially in a market like Montreal where anything less than winning the Stanley Cup is hardly acceptable. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Smirnov had world class talent but he had some injuries that the fan in the stands (hrc666, for example) never knew about that severely hampered his play. Even the Great Desharnais couldn't play well with the injuries that Smirnov had.
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hrc666
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Posted - 11/29/2009 : 12:10:34 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
So what hrc666 is saying is contract status beats the opportunity to win which is why Chipchura is playing in the NHL and Desharnais is not, especially in a market like Montreal where anything less than winning the Stanley Cup is hardly acceptable. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Smirnov had world class talent but he had some injuries that the fan in the stands (hrc666, for example) never knew about that severely hampered his play. Even the Great Desharnais couldn't play well with the injuries that Smirnov had.
This was directed at the Schlockey Babbler, not you.
Let him fight his own battles. He doesn't need you.
But, anyone who doesn't think that a first round pick doesn't get numerous more chances to prove himself over lower round picks or undrafted types hasn't followed the game very closely. First round busts rarely go quickly; they get chance after chance to prove that the scouts weren't completely wrong.
Interestingly, former Toledo Storm player Matt Zultek was ditched early and never given a shot beyond the AHL. Former Cyclone and Montreal first round pick (8th overall) Terry Ryan was only given 8 games over 3 years to disprove the scouting errors surrounding the ill-advised Canadien pick of him.
As a rule, first round picks get numerous chances that others don't get. The Anaheim Ducks scouts and management got a "russian bug" in the early 2000's and wasted two first round picks on russian players who didn't warrant being first round picks; Smirnov and Chistov.
Chistov was fun to watch; couldn't finish, but wow could he skate.
Once again, please fight your own battles. Matching wits with both the Babbler and the great hockey expert D. hockie is beyond my limited capabilites. Fight fair, puleeze. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 11/29/2009 : 2:00:39 PM
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| This has become a clones duck fight again, donnie and traveler just admit that DD proved you guys wrong by making it to the NHL, out of the players from the 07-08 cup team 7 players are in the AHL 6 are in solidly Syroczynski has been doing well on his PTO which yes surprises us all but nonetheless he made it past 1 game, plus 9 former or current cyclones are called up or solidly in the A, the Cyclones have been one of the best teams to come to if you want to try and build your career to the next level, and for Stewart, Wyman, and DD have proven that being with the Cyclones took them to the NHL |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 11/29/2009 : 8:31:40 PM
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A lot of teams had Chistov ranked as the best player in the draft and would have taken him if they had the first overall pick, or he'd been available when it was their turn. Atlanta scouts were divided on whether they should take Chistov or Kovalchuk. Chistov had a solid rookie season in the NHL and was one of Anaheim's best players in the Stanley Cup playoffs that season. He could still be playing in the NHL if he wanted to. Boston tried to sign him last season and there were other teams interested in him this past offseason. But he chose to stay in Europe and currently leads Magnitogorsk Metallurg of the KHL in scoring with 23 points in 29 games (in the KHL and other European leagues they only award one assist on goals otherwise he'd be averaging more than a point per game). He's on the same team as Sergei Fedorov and some other ex-NHLers.
Smirnov had too many people wanting him to be different things before he got hurt. One person in Anaheim wanted him to be a checking line center. Another saw him as a power forward. Another saw him as someone they could turn into a defenseman (he was moved to defense in 2004-05 for several games and didn't look out of place). He played well initially in the NHL and was dominate during his first stint in the AHL. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 11/29/2009 11:34:44 PM |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 11/30/2009 : 12:33:47 AM
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This was directed at the Schlockey Babbler, not you.
Let him fight his own battles. He doesn't need you.
Once again, please fight your own battles. Matching wits with both the Babbler and the great hockey expert D. hockie is beyond my limited capabilites. Fight fair, puleeze.
Battle? I thought this was simply a hockey discussion. My post to you didn't mention Wyman and Chipchura...that was my post to bags. But I didn't start whining or crying about you "fighting his battles". Ya see, this is called a PUBLIC FORUM. That means anyone who has an opinion can chime in. Even people with ill-formed opinions like yourself. Glad I could clear that up for ya.
BP, how did Desharnais prove me wrong? I said he's closer to a career minor leaguer right now than a long term NHLer. I said he's a spare part. If that ever changes, I'll gladly admit that I was wrong. And I never brought any Ducks into the discussion. I just mentioned Don Biggs.
We can agree to disagree. You guys think Desharnais has a good chance to be a long term NHLer. I say he'll be a career minor leaguer. If people like hrc want to consider this a "battle", then so far, I am winning. But I prefer to just consider this a hockey discussion. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 11/30/2009 : 7:36:04 PM
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| By the 2011-12 season, Desharnais will be playing in Russia, Switzerland or for the Muskegon Lumberjacks. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 11/30/2009 7:38:21 PM |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/01/2009 : 12:02:19 AM
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Since this is a thread of predictions:
The Great Wolf Lodge will be offering weekly rates to illegal aliens by 2012.
Cedar Park, having overpaid for several aquisitions-including Kings Island-will have declared bankruptcy and consolidated all PR functions from their corporate offices thereby eliminating all PR positions at KI.
In 2011, J Evers will have instituted a visionary drug screening program which will prevent those who haven't properly medicated themselves from posting on sec60. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/01/2009 : 12:51:59 AM
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| Glad to see the maturity level of some Cyclones fans is that of a 5 year old. You know, that's probably not going to get you anything on the Kids Eat Free nights. |
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2009 : 09:59:44 AM
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| Hey why dont the former Ducks fans get behind the Cincinnati Commandos of the Continental Indoor Football League set to play at the wait for it........Cincinnati Gardens!!!!!! if you dont believe me check out the promotional website cincinnaticommandos.com you guys wanted a team back at the Gardens well its not hockey but its a team maybe the Robinsons have given up all hope of a AHL team and have sunk to the Arena Football level |
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