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Donnie Hockey
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 Posted - 02/19/2010 : 11:05:01 PM
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Originally posted by dbc
Using Donnie's approach--this works out to 105 points for the year.
Don Biggs had 54 goals and an AHL-record 138 points in 1992-93 with Binghamton, but his attempt to sign another NHL contract following his MVP season ended in a contract dispute: He wanted another NHL contract but no team was willing to offer him one. With no NHL organization interested in signing an undersized 100-point scorer at the AHL level, Biggs elected to continue his stellar minor league career in the original IHL by choosing the chance to play with former first-round bust Paul Lawless in Cincinnati over joining 593-game NHL veteran Gino Cavallini in Milwaukee. |
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dbc
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Posted - 02/20/2010 : 12:44:05 PM
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Well--seeing you choose to reply with a 1992-9 3 ( almost 20 years ago) example when the game was different and you needed size because of all the holding and clutching that was going on and the red line was also used for offside--rules that were changed after the lockout to make the game faster and more exciting--here are some much more recent facts to counter your Donnie Biggs example.
The value of small players in today's game was made absolutely clear in 2004 when Martin St. Louis won the Hart, Conn Smythe, Art Ross, Pearson and Stanley Cup in the same year. That made it pretty clear that small players can do big things in hockey.
Listed at 5-9 and probably closer to 5-7 (just look at him next to Joe Thornton in the Vector cereal commercial), the UNDRAFTED St. Louis is a classic example of an under-sized player who isnt supposed to be so effective.
Many others have a similar story. And dont let listed heights fool you, theyre usually inflated for smaller players.
First overall pick Patrick Kane (curiously listed at 5-10) was more than a point per game in his rookie season with the Blackhawks, Daniel Briere (5-10) had 95 points last season and signed a $52 million contract this season with the Flyers, Steve Sullivan (5-8) has 577 career points and holds the record for most goals by a Nashville Predator, and New Jerseys Brian Gionta (5-7, the NHLs smallest player) had a 48-goal season in 2005/06. Marc Savard of Boston took several years and several teams before his small player game matured to NHL standards.These days--not 1992-3 days but post lock out days, it seems like wherever there is hockey, there are smaller players leaving an impression.
Inch-for-inch, Theo Fleury (listed at 5-6) may be the most effective player in the games recent history scoring 455 goals (1088 points), winning an Olympic gold medal in Salt Lake City, and winning a Stanley Cup with the Calgary Flames in 1989.
So you have your examples and I have mine. Neither knows if DD will make it to a NHL career. Lets hope he does--I at least do. He lit up the Juniors, lit up the ECHL, and is lighting up the AHL this year with 51 points in 39 games ( 1.3 pts per game). Time will tell
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elvis77
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Posted - 02/20/2010 : 2:55:49 PM
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@dbc
Great examples, but there are two errors.
While you are correct in that the "removal" of the red (center) line opened the neutral zone up and combined with other rule changes allowed for smaller faster forwards to excel. The red (center) line was never used for offsides. It was used in regards to two-line passes.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 02/20/2010 : 5:42:55 PM
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| All of the undersized players mentioned above are great skaters, Desharnais is not. But as they say, you can always tell a Cyclones fan, but you cannot tell them much. |
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dbc
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Posted - 02/21/2010 : 10:57:55 AM
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| OK Donnie--please give the statistics to verify your claim that they were all great skaters and DD is not and where to find these statistics. I gave you his 52 points through 39 games--what are your measurable criteria? For you to make a statement like that there must be some measure that is published that measures skating!!. The 40 yard sprint in football--the speed gun for baseball pitchers? If there is not a published objective criteria on which you make this claim about his skating then your position becomes subjective and there my friend is the problem with your postings--you take your own subjective feelings and present them here as objective facts and anyone who disagrees is therefore wrong rather than expressing their own subjective opinions. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 02/21/2010 : 6:51:29 PM
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Originally posted by dbc
OK Donnie--please give the statistics to verify your claim that they were all great skaters and DD is not and where to find these statistics. I gave you his 52 points through 39 games--what are your measurable criteria? For you to make a statement like that there must be some measure that is published that measures skating!!. The 40 yard sprint in football--the speed gun for baseball pitchers? If there is not a published objective criteria on which you make this claim about his skating then your position becomes subjective and there my friend is the problem with your postings--you take your own subjective feelings and present them here as objective facts and anyone who disagrees is therefore wrong rather than expressing their own subjective opinions.
Anyone that knows the game past the fan level can measure how good a skater someone is. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 02/21/2010 6:51:57 PM |
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dbc
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Posted - 02/21/2010 : 7:09:36 PM
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| See once again you make it personal. I ask for objective data and you don't give any--you only come back with a "I know better than you do " comment about "only" being a fan. Two points--first,when was the last time you actually saw DD play in person to judge his skating. As you know--there are lots of training programs players get on now to improve their skating. I am sure he is better than he was two years while here. Good enough for the NHL? We will see. Second--played hockey all my life growing up including high school and college back east in the Boston area although being a fan is certainly enough to warrant respect of ones opinions on here. Oh by the way--two more points today for DD and Cedric had another shutout !!!. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 03/07/2010 : 7:02:47 PM
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The fact that DD played in both games after they aquired the new center and sent down Maxwell clearly shows the organization thinks highly of him, and its nearly a lock he will be back up with the big club, unless the Habs deal Halak for a premier forward.
It's nearly a lock he will spend the rest of the season in the AHL with Hamilton, unless the Habs have eight guys out with injuries again. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 03/07/2010 7:13:02 PM |
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hrc666
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 05:36:42 AM
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| Donnie Hockey "Genius" revisited |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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hrc666
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 05:37:45 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Montreal might call him up after the Olympics if they need a stick boy. He was given six games to show what he could do and it wasn't much.
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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hrc666
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 05:39:01 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Anyone that knows the game past the fan level can measure how good a skater someone is.
Musn't be past the "fan level". lol |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Catch22
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 3:58:30 PM
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I really don't see the point.
It's blazingly obvious that Donnie was totally wrong.
It's also blazingly obvious that he refuses to admit it.
At this point it is nothing but silly poop flinging.
There gets to be a point when that is tiresome. We've passed that point.
Donnie was wrong.
OK.
Now let it go and lets at least focus on the next time Donnie is wrong instead of beating this poor horse to death.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 8:08:27 PM
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Originally posted by Catch22
Donnie was wrong.
Oh well. It only matters to a handful of Cyclones fans.
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 02/16/2011 10:32:36 PM |
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